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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2013, 05:02:57 am »
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also Kesh does not run FCC. Pretty sure I have said it plenty. We are a council who decide on things. Sure he has a lot of input but he also puts in the most time organizing things. Have to say I put in way to much time as well, but that is the benefit of working with internet access available from my phone.

I actually like FCC quite a bit.  The problem is that you also have one of the most vocal, vitriolic people in the NA community handling a lot of your interaction with other clans.  To put it nicely, Kesh is kind of intense.  If you guys could manage to muzzle him and keep him off the forums, I think public opinion would sway considerably.  Hospitaller had the same issue at the beginning of this strat.  They put one of their nicer, more genial members in charge of diplomacy and it worked wonders.  You can say Kesh isn't the leader, and I believe you entirely, but like it or not he's the public face of the clan, and it really doesn't do FCC any favors.

That's not to say I haven't had any positive experiences dealing with Kesh.  I had a good time mercing for FCC at least once when he asked me to, I had a ton of fun cheering him on in another battle where he was the only one left on one team running around picking up arrows to try and kill the two players left alive on the other team.  The problem is that he gets really defensive and nasty at the drop of a hat.  He's come into our teamspeak server on multiple occasions just to yell at people signed up against FCC before or after a battle.  He seems to have some self-fulfilling paranoia about a big bad secret alliance out to get him and FCC.  That didn't used to be true, but he's made it happen with his unpleasant behavior.  No one wants to be around or support that kind of attitude, so you end up with all these people, through no explicit organization, taking the opposite side because they just don't like the guy.

Granted, there's other reasons to dislike FCC.  Mega-alliance-carebear-steamroll-etc., but VE is the same and no one really dislikes them the same way people dislike FCC because of Kesh.  Hell, Matey is as bad or worse than everyone else on diplomacy in terms of jingoism and propaganda, but our poor pirate buddy doesn't hold a candle to Kesh.  He's not the only one, by far, but he's one of the most vocal, especially now that Smoothrich is more or less gone.

Back on topic, while I don't like the wording of the thread I can understand HoC wanting to save face.  There's really no shame in not taking a well supplied castle or city, at least in this strat round, though.  You've probably contributed a few billion xp to the cRPG community in this war alone, so that has to count for something.  I know you guys get a lot of shit for having bad KDs, but as someone said previously you're basically the entire VE shield wall, so it's kind of expected you're going to take heavy losses.  Good luck on your new faction.  Oh, and hats off to Occitan for maintaining the willpower to keep their fiefs garrisoned and armed. 
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2013, 05:31:17 am »
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Not to mention kesh's attitude tends to rub off on people around him. I've seen many decent guys descend into well...whatever it is you would call that kind of behavior. There is definitely a difference in the atmosphere of the fcc faction and all the others in NA. Some people get annoyed with the constant pressure over a video game and others end up becoming part of it.
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2013, 05:41:41 am »
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  He's come into our teamspeak server on multiple occasions just to yell at people signed up against FCC before or after a battle.  He seems to have some self-fulfilling paranoia about a big bad secret alliance out to get him and FCC.

Slight correction ONE count it ONE time i called canary out for explicitly saying he would sign up for a really shitty 7 am battle (we were not at war at the time), he promised to merc for us at  a time when its extremely difficult to get mercs to show up, then at the last minute he signed up for other side on this 7 am battle which made a big difference turning winning from losing with so few mercs on the roster  and his passive-aggressive response was "i forgot, can't change now" (before the battle started) from the guy who quotes people from 6 months back.  I would probably do the same thing again - it was a complete dick move and sometimes i get tired of playing ignorant to canary's pretend passivity since he cant deal with confrontation - quintessentially canary's usual passive-aggressiveness, since then I haven't even gone to your ts until lately to ask mb to sign up for fights and have only gone once in the chaos channel in the past 6 months and that was to recruit mercs for a random battle 3 months ago which i got 3, i even think riran signed up for us (which was a miracle) and did not say anything to offend.

So you talk about  multiple occasions based on one event 6 months ago that was never repeated against one guy in your faction who pulled a complete dick move.  I don't need some paranoia as you call it i just list people we are at war with nothing more.  That was just an inside joke/insult when tydeus/smoothrich called me paranoid for bitching about nighttime abuse during bird clan v hero party, then you carried it to extremes and would say it even when it didn't make the remotest sense just to try and insult me any time you saw me in a ts.  Xol you are not in anyway impartial as you are trying to pretend to be with this post (you are no more impartial than i am), you were giving me grief before you even joined chaos insulting me any time i was in a ts (we still were on same side in battles sometimes then, not fcc but other factions)
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2013, 05:56:57 am »
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This is exactly what I'm talking about.  I'm not even going to argue the point.  Have a good evening, Kesh.
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2013, 06:55:10 am »
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I'm surprised you mentioned me as being a nasty forum poster; I thought I was considered pretty reasonable, I even get +s from arowaine and smoothy-kun on occasion D:
as for muzzling Kesh, I used to do that in strat 2 and a bit in 3 and I think it helped since we were pretty popular back then I guess; but I haven't really tried to do it in 4 cause I was inactive for so long and Kesh and the others have been fantastic in building FCC into the power it is this strat so I didn't think it made sense for me to go yelling at Kesh to change anything; we have never been wanting for enemies and I'll take struggling against hordes of enemies over sitting around waiting for something to happen.

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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2013, 07:22:20 am »
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I'll miss you HoC guise. Good luck to you. You're welcome at serindiar anytime, which coincidentally has the best shields in the whole of the Velucan Empire. You're welcome to them anytime.
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2013, 11:38:20 am »
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HoC were allowed to lead their own battles, in fact we would have preferred if they had, but for a majority of this strat they havent had anyone who has wanted to lead the battles, so we did it for them. As to them being called cannon fodder, Bonesaw himself told us that he preferred it that way, which is why alot of HoC armies at the start of the war were mostly in lighter equipment.

not exatually
In 1 battle that one of you guy's leaded commanded to try and taking wheyya, most of us noticed after the fight that this guy just waisting oure tickets and equipment, and we agreed with Bonesaw to take the lead by oureself.
3 commanders of HOC would lead the fight, yes, it was going to be another failed attempt, but we knew that, thats why it was a raid, and to proove Bonesaw that HOC has some officers that he can rely on to take over a battle when he's not around
That same person shows up, who lead oure previeus army, and was taking command over again. I left before the batle started, because i noticed how it was going to be, and after that battle, he commes in oure ts and tell to those people who try't to command the battle some feedback how he should have done it , whille that person compleetly ruined oure strategy from in the beginning
yes we had the neccesary kills to deplete that army, but thats not the point.


about that HOC have heavy loses in every stratfight, HOC is a shieldwall, prolly the best shieldwall that there ever is, not that we are good, but because we can hold oure ground, no mather what the loses are, and consider also, that 2/3 of the NA community are most of the time 2h bitches, and you know that is chazz and the dev's favourite style of fighting, because when the 2h bitches are complaining that the other class is OP,that class get nerfed next patch, heck i still wondert why they didn't nerft oure shields, because that is something what 2handers give something to fight for
But people who never fought against or with HOC in anny strat.fight, sign up, and see for youreselfs what HOC can do in a fight. instead of trolling us in this or other threats that HOC is worthles and sucks as a clan. Allot of other clans respect HOC for what we do in strat battle's.
Allied factions, because we're still standing on the place where we have to be
Ennemy's, because we're a pain in the butt
Allone, most of the HOCmembers sucks, but HOC fights as a group, thats there strenght, and allot of people can confirm that when they charge in allone in to oure shieldwall

Arrowaine, you are not compleetly honnest
At the beginning, Wheyya castle was from DRZ, after a couple weeks, it was from Occitan
so you had more then enough time to ship out goods between EU and NA, so, i really believe that LCO are the richest faction of NA, because of this strategy you followt at the beginning
the only thing you had to do, was gaining tickets
Chev joined up, the only thing they have to do, is gaining tickets whille they digt in in Wheyya castle (good job btw for defending it), because the gear they had, was from previeus assaults from HOC, and gold was given by Occitan, that is what i believe, i'm not trolling ya

And then i heard that Arrowaine has sended a message that Occitan would fight further against HOC, i do hope its not true, we will see that when Occitan makes a move, but then i think he made a mistake to under asstimate HOC

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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2013, 01:09:49 pm »
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I'm surprised you mentioned me as being a nasty forum poster; I thought I was considered pretty reasonable, I even get +s from arowaine and smoothy-kun on occasion D:
as for muzzling Kesh, I used to do that in strat 2 and a bit in 3 and I think it helped since we were pretty popular back then I guess; but I haven't really tried to do it in 4 cause I was inactive for so long and Kesh and the others have been fantastic in building FCC into the power it is this strat so I didn't think it made sense for me to go yelling at Kesh to change anything; we have never been wanting for enemies and I'll take struggling against hordes of enemies over sitting around waiting for something to happen.

I plus one you on occasion, too.  I didn't mean my comment about you in a negative way.  Every clan needs a few members who are willing to stand up for their clan no matter what, otherwise diplomacy would be really boring.  Jingoism and propaganda definitely have their place in strat.  You're really nice about it, usually, which is great.  I may not agree with your posts all that often, but they're not nasty or insulting.  Just wanted to clear that up.

FCC definitely deserves credit for the faction they've built, and I don't want my suggestion about toning down Kesh to take away from that.  It just seems that FCC tends to get a bad rap because one member does things that reflect poorly on the clan as a whole.  With a successful empire you're never going to be short of people looking to knock you down a peg, but that doesn't mean they have to actually dislike you.

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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2013, 03:33:47 pm »
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2013, 03:53:06 pm »
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Wow this post went all over the god damn place! Shame on you all who've molested it!  Let's get to the topic again please. HoC wants out of the desert conflict simple as that. Our Kuyaks make us sweat horribly and the woman make it hurt to piss! We mainly needed a desert fief or two for me to rest my arthritis as i'm an old king with many failing body parts. The day when maggots clean my bones dry is the day the Hounds will not need some sand in our diets. Too bad for the maggots though, as my wish to have my wooden castle burned down on top of me for my funeral pyre wont leave much meat for them.
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2013, 04:00:17 pm »
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My apologies for the post molestation. 

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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2013, 05:22:50 pm »
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cav get to choose where and how they attack. They can manage the risk. Melee on the line (granted not all stay in line and fight as ordered) have no choice and are hit as much by team as by enemy... including that super helpful cav from both teams and ranged always taking the shot. Totally different experience. Come on down and stand next to me on the wall. Not many can make the transition and maintain impressive k/d.

In that statement I am not downplaying cav. They are awesome and are a great thing to have on the battlefield. But comparing K/Ds should not be done.

I actually take much higher risks as cav, especially when I see the opportunity to distract/bump multiple enemies ganking my teammates, blitzing a forward spawn with several guards or to stall flanking maneuvers charging into 20 enemies alone. Yes, taking these risks is intentional, but it nets me a much higher death count - for a greater reward for my team. I'm like a mobile ambulance or fire truck, always rushing to where shit be cooking!

When I play xbow or even pikeman (especially in defenses), my k/d ratio is better by far.


Also, best of luck HoC - I was always impressed by the stalwartness of your shieldwall. It always kind of screams "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" to me and that adds an awesome element to the battles  :D
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2013, 05:48:25 pm »
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Les chevaliers occitans, will agree on a peace agrement, once all of you (hoc and your ally rest of ve) will leave the desert and give us back our rigthful claim.


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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2013, 07:35:07 pm »
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Les chevaliers occitans, will agree on a peace agrement, once all of you (hoc and your ally rest of ve) will leave the desert and give us back our rigthful claim.


For more information i welcome you guys to get in toutch with me or bonsai.

Didn't you buy that stuff off semenstorm who took it from tiny BIRD clan (actually technically all your fiefs have been bought on NA side).  Not really a rightful claim unless you mean only the old chevalieres fiefs before they joined your faction, though they did agree to a  peace where they dropped claims to durquba and gave it to ve rather than keep fighting.
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Re: Hounds of Chulainn ceasefire and trade blockade raised on Occitan
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2013, 08:34:39 pm »
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Didn't you buy that stuff off semenstorm who took it from tiny BIRD clan (actually technically all your fiefs have been bought on NA side).  Not really a rightful claim unless you mean only the old chevalieres fiefs before they joined your faction, though they did agree to a  peace where they dropped claims to durquba and gave it to ve rather than keep fighting.
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