[NEW] Commander Mode

[Nessaj]

what if your troops lost morale and started fleeing if fighting when their commander not nearby?

Can't just throw a real morale system in there, would take time etc.
Else sure, could give the Commander an aura which gives +1 morale when nearby, -1 when away, drop down below a certain number and the troops start retreating. Crude, but simple.

The easiest for the moment would be if a Commander dies, his troops loses a percentage of their total HP or Stats, which would be their drop in "morale".

[Ulmarth]

So this is like that mode from Napoleon Mount and Blade?   

[Miwiw]

Better, as this will be improved.
NW commander mode got many bugs... it was alright during beta and shortly after release.. but meh

[//saxon]

please make it so you can use your own gear and char stats please!

[Kafein]

The AI is pretty weak against cav, how will that be balanced ?

[tkn123]

2 points:

I know we won't be fighting in the mode but having a shield would be helpful as then we don't die that easily.

Also, having to repair Gothic plate every time we want to play is annoying, it also limits the mode to those people who can afford it. If we have to repair what we wear can we not chose it ourselves?

[Teeth]

Constantly switch around with holding position and charging, this way you can keep your troops together and charge specific locations. Cav is pretty easy to fight with an infantry blob as well, if you constinously move them backwards, so they don't get surrounded.

Can't just throw a real morale system in there, would take time etc.
Else sure, could give the Commander an aura which gives +1 morale when nearby, -1 when away, drop down below a certain number and the troops start retreating. Crude, but simple.

The easiest for the moment would be if a Commander dies, his troops loses a percentage of their total HP or Stats, which would be their drop in "morale".

Dying as a commander is not always something you can control. I don't think it should really do anything. I've seen Saxon get headshot from a 100 m away randomly. That your troops get split over the remaining commanders is enough of a penalty for that already. Dying is rarely actually your fault.

Flags are OP. Basically whichever team is closest to the flag spawn wins, because they can cap while being guarded by their infantry. I suggest increasing the time it takes to raise the flag by about a 100%, to actually make moving to the flag and fighting over it a valid tactic, instead of just losing as soon as you see that the enemy is closer to the spawn.

[Nessaj]

Dying is never anyone's fault unless they're reckless?

There should be a penalty to dying, as it is now the whole thing is more of an team effort, 5v5, 6v6, and so on. Hence a commander dying should definitely effect the team (e.g. the troops from that commander) - not just that they're transferred to the next man in line. At the very minimum there should be a small 'debuff' applied to the troops, perhaps just a time based one or whatever, but something at least.

[Butan]

Can't just throw a real morale system in there, would take time etc.

Its been done in Native Expansion mod.

Truth be told, there is a lot of things to pick up from this mod.



Also the latest version of the SP, you can access an order tab with the backspace key : radar + whole lots of new orders (+ the old ones, but much easier to access, also can tell troops to hold X position by clicking on the radar map)

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It increases tactics so much its not even funny

[Duster]

Rhodoks can't lose unless they really fuck it up, nords are a tad underpowered because their infantry isn't fantastic like it should be. Still good fun!

[Ronin]

Hide behind your troops. Only give weak weapons.

I would love to have access to the backspace command menu you have in Warband singleplayer normally, gives you good overview and makes commanding so much easier.

I think having a mini map would ruin the surprise effect. It's much better for it to be like this.

Make nord scouts to be like a mounted infantry maybe. At the moment they are very weak, even on foot and mounted. I see they have javelins to throw but they fail to use it.

I'm not saying nord scouts should be powerful units, they must be used for supporting infantry or archers. But even when used for this purpose, they still fail.

[Jarlek]

I still find it funny how Sarranid archers got more armour than most infantry units

Great gamemode btw, me, panos, zlisch and teeth had great fun yesterday.

[Ulmarth]

Someone just said you dnt fight in this mode.............so what do you do watch your AI fight?

I guess ill need to try it to see the fun.

[Ronin]

I've read somewhere that sarranid archers were designed as ranged units with good melee capabilities comparably.

If you compare the armors, you'll have to take into account of rodok xbowmen shields too. Shield is a very good defense boost to AI.


I can modify with the stats a bit, but I'd like to hear others' opinions that are playing this mod. About what class should be like what and fulfill what role?

Example (my observation with the current nords):
Nords
Infantry - Strong shields, very good at melee, has throwing
Archers - Low rate of fire and overall not very useful. Can be only good when supporting infantry
Cavalry - Very weak, can be only useful as suicide troops to distract the enemy or flank the enemy to let the infantry come in. Has javelins but rarely makes use of them. Not good on foot either.

What I would do:
Infantry - Leave the same
Archers - Leave the same
Cavalry - Make them better skirmishers (throwing cavalry) and make them more like a cav/inf hybrid. So maybe they can use their horses to travel faster, and then dismount to fight on foot. Their armor will stay the same though, but with better shields and weapons.

I'd like to hear your opinions.

[Kirman]

It seems really fun so thanks for the mod. The only thing i've noticed is the troops(Infantry) are keeping too much distance between commander. I tried ''follow'' command to pull them and had to go right flank to bring them to the middle.

Edit: I played 2 or 3 times so ill test it more.