[NEW] Commander Mode

[Tom Cruise]

From my experience this gametype is loads of fun and has tons of potential. Me and my friend used to play NW commander tons and would just fuck shit up.

Aside from working out bugs and fine tuning (as expected from being very early in its process still), the only thing I would want to add is a troop tree, with different tiers of units. For example if I were a Nord and I wanted ranged. I would want different options of ranged. Different options such as ranged that focuses on throwing, or ranged that focuses on bows.

Or for infantry I might want heavy huscarls with some throwing axes, a shield, and some form of melee, such as a sword or an axe. Or I could have heavy anti cav, infantry with no throwing and a spear, shield, and sword or axe.

Just needs a little variety

[Bjord]

If you want NW, go play NW.

[Tom Cruise]

If you want NW, go play NW.

It has nothing to do with wanting it to be NW.....NW was just the first prominent Commander mode for a warband mod, so its a good basis to build from.

All I was asking for was some form of a troop tree. (which the native singleplayer has, which this gametype is based off of)

[Ronin]

Here's my try:

-Reduced Rhodok Sharphooter's stats.  It is still decent in melee, but lowered it's power strike and athletics. Also no ironflesh, since they have their gigantic shields as armor. They still use sniper crossbow though.
-Changed armor of Rhodok Sergeants to padded cloth, they are not sergeants anymore but veteran spearmen instead.

-Increased nord scouts' athletics and throwing capabilities. They are better on foot now and a bit more reliable skirmishers (if you can even get to use their throwing). Same applies for Rhodok Scouts, (other than throwing) since they mimic the stats of nord scouts.

-Riding of Sarranid horsemen increased to 5, which was 4 before. I think it wasn't making any sense even crappy nord and rhodok cavalry had 5 riding while sarranid cavalry had 4 riding.

-Lowered the archery of khergit horse archers, they had 150 wpf. Which means they would have a faster fire rate compared to ground archers; wasn't making much sense.

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  ["swadian_crossbowman_multiplayer_ai","Swadian Sharpshooter","Swadian Sharpshooters",tf_guarantee_ranged|tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet,0,0,"fac_kingdom_1",
   ["itm_bolts","itm_arrows","itm_crossbow","itm_crossbow","itm_heavy_crossbow","itm_sword_medieval_b_small","itm_sword_medieval_a","itm_voulge","itm_tab_shield_heater_c",
    "itm_haubergeon","itm_sleeveless_mail_coat","itm_leather_boots","itm_mail_chausses","itm_kettle_hat","itm_helmet_with_neckguard","itm_leather_gloves"],
   str_14 | agi_10 | int_4 | cha_4|level(24),wp_one_handed (100) | wp_two_handed (100) | wp_polearm (100) | wp_archery (100) | wp_crossbow (120) | wp_throwing (100),knows_common|knows_power_draw_3|knows_ironflesh_1|knows_power_strike_1|knows_athletics_2,swadian_face_middle_1, swadian_face_older_2],
 
 ["swadian_infantry_multiplayer_ai","Swadian Infantry","Swadian Infantry",tf_guarantee_all_wo_ranged,0,0,"fac_kingdom_1",
   ["itm_pike","itm_bastard_sword_a","itm_tab_shield_heater_c",
    "itm_studded_leather_coat","itm_ankle_boots","itm_flat_topped_helmet"],
   def_attrib|level(19),wp_melee(105),knows_common|knows_ironflesh_5|knows_shield_4|knows_power_strike_5|knows_athletics_4,swadian_face_middle_1, swadian_face_old_2],
 
  ["swadian_man_at_arms_multiplayer_ai","Swadian Man at Arms","Swadian Men at Arms",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all_wo_ranged,0,0,"fac_kingdom_1",
   ["itm_lance","itm_bastard_sword_a","itm_tab_shield_heater_cav_a",
    "itm_mail_with_surcoat","itm_hide_boots","itm_norman_helmet","itm_hunter"],
   def_attrib|level(15),wp_melee(100),knows_common|knows_riding_4|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_shield_4|knows_power_strike_2|knows_athletics_1,swadian_face_young_1, swadian_face_old_2],



 ["vaegir_archer_multiplayer_ai","Vaegir Marksman","Vaegir Marksmen",tf_guarantee_ranged|tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet,0,0,"fac_kingdom_2",
   ["itm_barbed_arrows","itm_axe","itm_voulge","itm_sword_khergit_2","itm_strong_bow","itm_war_bow","itm_strong_bow",
    "itm_leather_vest","itm_studded_leather_coat","itm_leather_boots","itm_vaegir_lamellar_helmet","itm_vaegir_spiked_helmet","itm_vaegir_fur_helmet"],
   str_14 | agi_5 | int_4 | cha_4|level(24),wp_one_handed (80) | wp_two_handed (80) | wp_polearm (80) | wp_archery (140) | wp_crossbow (80) | wp_throwing (80),knows_ironflesh_2|knows_power_draw_5|knows_athletics_3|knows_power_throw_1,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
 
 ["vaegir_spearman_multiplayer_ai","Vaegir Infantry","Vaegir Infantries",tf_guarantee_shield|tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet,0,0,"fac_kingdom_2",
   ["itm_pike","itm_battle_axe","itm_sword_viking_2","itm_sword_khergit_2","itm_tab_shield_kite_c","itm_spear",
    "itm_mail_hauberk","itm_lamellar_vest","itm_leather_boots","itm_vaegir_lamellar_helmet","itm_vaegir_spiked_helmet","itm_vaegir_fur_helmet"],
   def_attrib|level(19),wp_melee(100),knows_athletics_3|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_power_strike_3|knows_shield_2,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
 
 ["vaegir_horseman_multiplayer_ai","Vaegir Horseman","Vaegir Horsemen",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all_wo_ranged,0,0,"fac_kingdom_2",
   ["itm_battle_axe","itm_scimitar","itm_lance","itm_tab_shield_kite_cav_a",
     "itm_studded_leather_coat","itm_lamellar_vest","itm_nomad_boots","itm_spiked_helmet","itm_saddle_horse"],
   def_attrib|level(19),wp(100),knows_riding_4|knows_ironflesh_4|knows_power_strike_4|knows_shield_3,vaegir_face_young_1, vaegir_face_older_2],
 
 
 
  ["khergit_dismounted_lancer_multiplayer_ai","Khergit Dismounted Lancer","Khergit Dismounted Lancer",tf_guarantee_all_wo_ranged,0,0,"fac_kingdom_3",
   ["itm_sword_khergit_4","itm_spiked_mace","itm_one_handed_war_axe_b","itm_one_handed_war_axe_a","itm_hafted_blade_a","itm_hafted_blade_b","itm_heavy_lance","itm_lance",
    "itm_khergit_guard_helmet","itm_khergit_cavalry_helmet","itm_khergit_war_helmet","itm_lamellar_vest_khergit","itm_lamellar_armor","itm_khergit_leather_boots","itm_splinted_leather_greaves","itm_leather_gloves","itm_mail_mittens","itm_tab_shield_small_round_b","itm_tab_shield_small_round_c"],
   def_attrib|level(23),wp(150),knows_riding_7|knows_power_strike_5|knows_power_draw_4|knows_power_throw_2|knows_ironflesh_5|knows_horse_archery_1,khergit_face_middle_1, khergit_face_older_2],
  #cRPG is the center of whining about horse archers. So lowered archery wpf. It's same as sarranid archers now, 130.
  ["khergit_veteran_horse_archer_multiplayer_ai","Khergit Horse Archer","Khergit Horse Archers",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,"fac_kingdom_3",
   ["itm_sword_khergit_3","itm_khergit_bow","itm_khergit_arrows","itm_tab_shield_small_round_b",
    "itm_khergit_cavalry_helmet","itm_tribal_warrior_outfit","itm_khergit_leather_boots","itm_steppe_horse"],
   def_attrib|level(21),wp(90)|wp_archery(130),knows_riding_6|knows_power_draw_5|knows_shield_2|knows_horse_archery_5,khergit_face_middle_1, khergit_face_older_2],
 
 ["khergit_lancer_multiplayer_ai","Khergit Lancer","Khergit Lancers",tf_guarantee_all_wo_ranged,0,0,"fac_kingdom_3",
   ["itm_sword_khergit_4","itm_spiked_mace","itm_one_handed_war_axe_b","itm_one_handed_war_axe_a","itm_hafted_blade_a","itm_hafted_blade_b","itm_heavy_lance","itm_lance",
    "itm_khergit_guard_helmet","itm_khergit_cavalry_helmet","itm_khergit_war_helmet","itm_lamellar_vest_khergit","itm_lamellar_armor","itm_khergit_leather_boots","itm_splinted_leather_greaves","itm_leather_gloves","itm_mail_mittens","itm_scale_gauntlets","itm_tab_shield_small_round_b","itm_tab_shield_small_round_c","itm_courser"],
   def_attrib|level(23),wp(130),knows_riding_7|knows_power_strike_5|knows_power_draw_4|knows_power_throw_2|knows_ironflesh_5|knows_horse_archery_1,khergit_face_middle_1, khergit_face_older_2],


  ["nord_archer_multiplayer_ai","Nord Veteran Archer","Nord Veteran Archers",tf_guarantee_ranged|tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor,0,0,"fac_kingdom_4",
   ["itm_bodkin_arrows","itm_sword_viking_2","itm_fighting_axe","itm_two_handed_axe","itm_long_bow","itm_mail_shirt","itm_mail_shirt","itm_byrnie","itm_leather_boots","itm_nordic_archer_helmet","itm_nordic_veteran_archer_helmet"],
   str_12 | agi_5 | int_4 | cha_4|level(19),wp_one_handed (95) | wp_two_handed (95) | wp_polearm (95) | wp_archery (120) | wp_crossbow (95) | wp_throwing (95),knows_power_strike_3|knows_ironflesh_4|knows_power_draw_5|knows_athletics_7,nord_face_middle_1, nord_face_older_2],
 
 ["nord_veteran_multiplayer_ai","Nord Veteran","Nord Veterans",tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_shield|tf_guarantee_helmet,0,0,"fac_kingdom_4",
   ["itm_sword_viking_2","itm_sword_viking_2_small","itm_one_handed_battle_axe_b","itm_spiked_mace","itm_tab_shield_round_d","itm_javelin","itm_throwing_axes",
    "itm_nordic_helmet","itm_nordic_fighter_helmet","itm_mail_hauberk","itm_mail_shirt","itm_splinted_leather_greaves","itm_leather_boots","itm_leather_gloves"],
   def_attrib|level(24),wp(145),knows_ironflesh_5|knows_power_strike_5|knows_power_throw_4|knows_riding_3|knows_athletics_5|knows_shield_4,nord_face_young_1, nord_face_older_2],

   #Stats of nord scout is boosted a tiny bit. They have better power strike, horse archery, athletics and power throw. Their shield is also the second tier now. Increased chances of getting a javelin.
  ["nord_scout_multiplayer_ai","Nord Scout","Nord Scouts",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,"fac_kingdom_4",
   ["itm_javelin","itm_javelin","itm_javelin","itm_sword_viking_1","itm_two_handed_axe","itm_spear","itm_tab_shield_round_b",
    "itm_skullcap","itm_nordic_archer_helmet","itm_leather_jerkin","itm_leather_boots","itm_saddle_horse"],
   def_attrib|level(19),wp(100),knows_riding_5|knows_athletics_3|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_power_strike_3|knows_shield_2|knows_horse_archery_3|knows_power_throw_4,nord_face_young_1, nord_face_older_2],
 

 ["rhodok_veteran_crossbowman_multiplayer_ai","Rhodok Sharpshooter","Rhodok Sharpshooters",tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet|tf_guarantee_ranged|tf_guarantee_shield,0,0,"fac_kingdom_5",
   #Rhodok pavise crossbowman had simply superior stats. Reduced their PS, athletics and removed their ironflesh. They are still decent for melee with their superior equipment.
   ["itm_sword_medieval_b","itm_military_pick","itm_military_hammer","itm_tab_shield_pavise_c","itm_sniper_crossbow","itm_steel_bolts",
    "itm_kettle_hat","itm_mail_coif","itm_padded_leather","itm_leather_boots","itm_splinted_leather_greaves"],
   str_14 | agi_5 | int_4 | cha_4|level(25),wp_one_handed (110) | wp_two_handed (110) | wp_polearm (110) | wp_archery (100) | wp_crossbow (140) | wp_throwing (100),knows_common|knows_shield_4|knows_power_strike_3|knows_athletics_4,rhodok_face_middle_1, rhodok_face_older_2],
 
  ["rhodok_veteran_spearman_multiplayer_ai","Rhodok Sergeant","Rhodok Sergeants",tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet|tf_guarantee_shield|tf_guarantee_gloves,0,0,"fac_kingdom_5",
 #Changed armor with padded cloth and added military pick, kettle hat, footman helmet.
 ["itm_glaive","itm_military_hammer","itm_military_cleaver_c","itm_tab_shield_pavise_d","itm_military_pick",
    "itm_kettle_hat","itm_footman_helmet","itm_mail_coif","itm_padded_cloth","itm_leather_boots","itm_splinted_leather_greaves","itm_leather_gloves","itm_mail_mittens"],
   def_attrib|level(25),wp_one_handed (130) | wp_two_handed (115) | wp_polearm (155) | wp_archery (115) | wp_crossbow (115) | wp_throwing (115),knows_common|knows_ironflesh_6|knows_shield_5|knows_power_strike_5|knows_athletics_5,rhodok_face_middle_1, rhodok_face_older_2],
 
 ["rhodok_scout_multiplayer_ai","Rhodok Scout","Rhodok Scouts",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_all,0,0,"fac_kingdom_5",
   # Rhodok scouts stats are also updated as nord scouts are updated. It's same as nord scout, but have no PT and horse archery.
   ["itm_sword_medieval_a","itm_tab_shield_heater_cav_a","itm_light_lance","itm_skullcap","itm_aketon_green",
    "itm_ragged_outfit","itm_nomad_boots","itm_ankle_boots","itm_saddle_horse"],
   def_attrib|level(19),wp(100),knows_riding_5|knows_athletics_3|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_power_strike_3|knows_shield_2,rhodok_face_young_1, rhodok_face_older_2],
 
 ["sarranid_archer_multiplayer_ai","Sarranid Master Archer","Sarranid Master Archers",tf_guarantee_ranged|tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet,0,0,"fac_kingdom_6",
   ["itm_barbed_arrows","itm_barbed_arrows","itm_arabian_sword_b","itm_mace_3","itm_strong_bow","itm_nomad_bow",
    "itm_arabian_armor_b","itm_sarranid_boots_c","itm_sarranid_boots_b","itm_sarranid_mail_coif"],
   str_14 | agi_5 | int_4 | cha_4|level(24),wp_one_handed (100) | wp_two_handed (100) | wp_polearm (100) | wp_archery (130) | wp_crossbow (100) | wp_throwing (130),knows_common|knows_power_draw_4|knows_power_throw_4|knows_ironflesh_3|knows_athletics_5,swadian_face_middle_1, swadian_face_older_2],
 
 ["sarranid_infantry_multiplayer_ai","Sarranid Infantry","Sarranid Infantries",tf_guarantee_shield|tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet,0,0,"fac_kingdom_6",
   ["itm_sarranid_mail_shirt","itm_sarranid_mail_coif","itm_jarid","itm_sarranid_boots_c","itm_sarranid_boots_b","itm_sarranid_axe_a","itm_arabian_sword_b","itm_mace_3","itm_spear","itm_tab_shield_kite_c"],
   def_attrib|level(20),wp_one_handed (105) | wp_two_handed (105) | wp_polearm (105) | wp_archery (75) | wp_crossbow (75) | wp_throwing (110),knows_common|knows_riding_3|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_shield_3 | knows_power_throw_3|knows_athletics_3,swadian_face_middle_1, swadian_face_old_2],
 
  ["sarranid_horseman_multiplayer_ai","Sarranid Horseman","Sarranid Horsemen",tf_mounted|tf_guarantee_boots|tf_guarantee_armor|tf_guarantee_helmet|tf_guarantee_horse|tf_guarantee_shield,0,0,"fac_kingdom_6",
# Increased riding to 5.
  ["itm_lance","itm_arabian_sword_b","itm_scimitar_b","itm_mace_4","itm_tab_shield_small_round_b",
    "itm_sarranid_mail_shirt","itm_sarranid_boots_b","itm_sarranid_boots_c","itm_sarranid_horseman_helmet","itm_courser","itm_hunter"],
   def_attrib|level(20),wp_melee(100),knows_common|knows_riding_5|knows_ironflesh_2|knows_shield_2|knows_power_strike_3,swadian_face_young_1, swadian_face_old_2],

Vaegirs, khergits and swadians are unchanged; because I never played with them. The servers never seem to open any of those. Nord, rodok, sarranid all day.

By the way, I agree some more variety could bring a lot. The types coming to my mind are: Heavy cavalry, light cavalry, skirmishers (throwers), horse archers, light infantry, heavy infantry, archers, archer/inf, infantry/throwing, crossbowmen...

[Butan]

I still believe there can be a compromise found between no weapons and hero mode.

[ARN_]

Would be fun to be able to fight

[Michael]

So, due to bad luck, we are running two strong servers parallel for a few weeks. Instead of just pay for it with no gain,

Why not a high noon super bright daylight native-like battle server instead?

On Eu4, its night for 500 years now.
So apparently its possible to take one server out of the weather-time-circle.

[Ronin]

Well I'd be really appreciated if zlisch would explained what he didn't like. Thinking/playing on something all day only to see some douchebag minused your work is a bit disappointing.

About the rhodoks part, their symbol is a crossbow not a spear. They were famed for their massive crossbow fire, which was supported by spears and pikes against cavalry charges. Since the ai can't handle spears well, they were armed with one handed weapons mostly. To be honest, their infantry were pretty much the same as nord veterans. But you can't have the best of both worlds. Having the best infantry and the best archers was simply too much, not to mention those archers were also making very formidable infantry. So I changed their infantry to be units designed to support their crossbowmen, just like that nord archers were designed to be supporting nord infantry. It's not like they are very weak. They still have their gigantic shields and superior stats (7 ironflesh).

The rhodok cavalry was sharing the same stats as nord cavalry, so when I changed nord cav a tiny bit; I also changed rodok cavalry to not play with the balance further.

Edit: it says that in the new patch, they added swadia and vaegir. I will look into those too.

[Kuujis]

Just FYI - Nord Scouts are a waste of units. 

TERRIBAD!

[Ronin]

No I disagree. They are just worse than the other units, that means bring less cavalry if you're nord or rhodok. But it's not like you can not find a good use for them. I personally had great success using them as a distraction. Just make them charge to break enemy formations and watch your archers peppering down the enemy with arrows. Because once the enemy is engaged in melee combat, they can't use their shields properly. After all, they were designed to support your other troops. Don't use them as you use sarranid cavalry and you won't be disappointed.

Also one thing to not forget, they have the speed and manuever of a horse so they can be more swift compared to your foot units.

[Algarn]

I just can't understand why can't we fight with our char ... if we are smarter than bots (I hope), bots can have more IF , ATHL, RIDING , ... And I never saw a guy who beaten more than 10 units in the same time on open field ...

And ... plates are too expensive, as courser , so , there is another reason to let players play with their stats ..

We almost pay everything because the battle 200 vs 200 because of the time ... So , that's unfair with new players.

[Ronin]

They fixed upkeep.

And believe me, being able to fight would ruin to point of the gamemode. It will basically be a rat race.

[Algarn]

  I paid at least 15 k this day ... only on commander server 

And, even if players are smarter than bots , how can they beat tincans without exploiting a bug on Dtv ? 

[SoA_Sir_ODHarry]

would it be possibel too make commanders abel too place some Stacks and Siege Shields?Would be a great add

[okiN]

I always liked playing like this in native, reckon I'll have to try it.