Paramerion is OP

[Ujin]

Ujin stop pretending like upkeep matters, also, everyone besides me, Falka, and Smooth disagree with you and just couldn't bother typing it.

You're right, i shouldn't waste even another second on you =).

[Ronin]

Umm.. no ? -2 speed and -2 pierce, +2k price  for +1 cut ?
 Btw,  you should be all over the arabian cav sword stats then, cause according to your logic it's incredibly OP and much cheaper than nordic/knightly arming. Not TOO far away from the truth , though . =)
But still, the thrust attack should NOT be underestimated, both on foot and in cav fights.

In any case , again - this is only ONE of the possible suggestions for balacing this sword, there's multiple more. I think i'm done here and from now on will just patiently sit back, relax  and see what the balancing team does to it in the next update.

Ujin, I think you are making the mistake of taking the current stats into consideration when stating this. It is not -2 speed and -2 pierce, +2k price for +1 cut. It's stats are already a bit overpowered, it is not a balanced weapon to make those kind of changes. A bit from here to, to add here etc.

As an arabian cav user, I find the sword's speed and lack of a good thrust as a big flaw. 1h cavalry is all about being faster than a lancer, and I didn't find it to my liking. It's too slow. It's price, I think, is fairly balanced (and abilities overall).

I'm going to post my own paramerion idea for the lulz. Lets see if I can make a good change.

Ujin stop pretending like upkeep matters, also, everyone besides me, Falka, and Smooth disagree with you and just couldn't bother typing it.

Numbers do not matter...

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

You're right, i shouldn't waste even another second on you =).

I'll miss you

[Ujin]

Ujin, I think you are making the mistake of taking the current stats into consideration when stating this. It is not -2 speed and -2 pierce, +2k price for +1 cut. It's stats are already a bit overpowered, it is not a balanced weapon to make those kind of changes. A bit from here to, to add here etc.

As an arabian cav user, I find the sword's speed and lack of a good thrust as a big flaw. 1h cavalry is all about being faster than a lancer, and I didn't find it to my liking. It's too slow. It's price, I think, is fairly balanced (and abilities overall).

I'm going to post my own paramerion idea for the lulz. Lets see if I can make a good change.
Numbers do not matter...

It's not balanced, therefore we can't.. balance it ?    Look, if the the +1 cut really scares you that much , the simplest thing to do would be just reducing it's speed by 2 and increasing it's price. Really, i don't so much want to hold on to this specific suggestion rather than just talk theories here. I'm more interested in them finally fixing the goddamn helmet that i wanted to use :/.
Btw, arabian cavalry sword's speed can be both a blessing and a curse. I actually enjoyed using slow weapons from horseback alot, especially loved the destrier + bardiche combo =).

@ Falka, 10 posts later, i can still come back and talk to people that don't go apeshit cause they don't like a couple of numbers. Cheerios.

[Falka]

I think i'm done here and from now on will just patiently sit back, relax  and see what the balancing team does to it in the next update.

10 posts later....

[Elmetiacos]

There is no balance between paramerion and long arming sword; LAS has one better thrust damage set against 2 worse cut damage, shorter length and slower speed and yet it costs slightly more. Does one extra thrust damage really offset its three other weaknesses?

[Jarl_Hangus]

Just add slash point is not an option i think.

Up +1 piercing for -1 slash if it's so cool to stab ! I don t have any problems with.

[Ronin]

It's not balanced, therefore we can't.. balance it ?    Look, if the the +1 cut really scares you that much , the simplest thing to do would be just reducing it's speed by 2 and increasing it's price. Really, i don't so much want to hold on to this specific suggestion rather than just talk theories here. I'm more interested in them finally fixing the goddamn helmet that i wanted to use :/.

I don't know what made you think I said that we can't balance it. You just offered the idea of giving it some cut at the cost of some other stats. But the weapon already has beefed stats. It was my comment on this:

Umm.. no ? -2 speed and -2 pierce, +2k price  for +1 cut ?

Imagine a 1h sword with this stats:
weapon length: 100
weight: 1.5
speed rating: 116
thrust damage: 35 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
Cost: 8k

Can I offer such an idea and call it balanced?
weapon length: 100
weight: 1.5
speed rating: 114 (-2)
thrust damage: 33 pierce (-2)
swing damage: 41 cut (+1)
Cost: 10k (+2k)

It's basically "-2 speed and -2 pierce, +2k price  for +1 cut" now. So I just balanced it? No. The weapon already has strong stats. That is the thing with the paramerion at the moment, it's just sligthly better not as omnipotent as this fantasy sword. I just commented on the way you think, not on the idea itself directly.

Btw, arabian cavalry sword's speed can be both a blessing and a curse. I actually enjoyed using slow weapons from horseback alot, especially loved the destrier + bardiche combo =).

I never tried this on cRPG, but I think I can trust your judgement on that

[Matey]

I don't know what made you think I said that we can't balance it. You just offered the idea of giving it some cut at the cost of some other stats. But the weapon already has beefed stats. It was my comment on this:
Imagine a 1h sword with this stats:
weapon length: 100
weight: 1.5
speed rating: 116
thrust damage: 35 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
Cost: 8k

Can I offer such an idea and call it balanced?
weapon length: 100
weight: 1.5
speed rating: 114 (-2)
thrust damage: 33 pierce (-2)
swing damage: 41 cut (+1)
Cost: 10k (+2k)

It's basically "-2 speed and -2 pierce, +2k price  for +1 cut" now. So I just balanced it? No. The weapon already has strong stats. That is the thing with the paramerion at the moment, it's just sligthly better not as omnipotent as this fantasy sword. I just commented on the way you think, not on the idea itself directly.
I never tried this on cRPG, but I think I can trust your judgement on that

Hmm that sword looks too weak. Add 10 reach please.

[Berserkadin]

Just make it like a NCS, with more cut, less pierce and less speed. Also, buffing up some other 1h cut weapons to the same lvl is a fair deal ;)

How did these stats even go trough in the first place? Atm it's a NCS with +1 speed, +1 length and 2 more pierce for 2,5-3k less gold.

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[Haze_The_Hobo]

My opinion: Balance weapons before adding them.

[Ras_FrenzYYY]

Some guys are clearly loosing it..We are in the shielders era and they are trying to make one handed weapons as op as they can be..103 length is huge!!!! for 1h weapon.
With 23 pierce is getting close to godlike (my MW katana has 20).
With 98 speed we are talking about massacre.(one handers shielders are crying for their happiness)

And dont forget its 1 slot..

[Gurnisson]

Ujin stop pretending like upkeep matters, also, everyone besides me, Falka, and Smooth disagree with you and just couldn't bother typing it.

Ujin at least provides a couple of suggestions as to how it could be balanced (4 iirc), unlike you who just enters the balancing topic to slag him off and call 1H up. Grow up.

-1 speed, -1 cut +1-2k in price. Weapon will be in between nordic champ and knightly arming.

This with +1 difficulty and a 2,5 k increase instead of 1-2 seems ok. -1 speed, -1 cut, +2,5 k price, + 1 diff would at least make it more balanced than it is. Another option would be to keep the price and remove 1 cut and 1 pierce.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Ujin at least provides a couple of suggestions as to how it could be balanced (4 iirc), unlike you who just enters the balancing topic to slag him off and call 1H up. Grow up.

I have posted several suggestions, but ok.

[Ronin]

My try:

weapon length: 103
weight: 1.2 (-0.1)
difficulty: 13 (+1)
speed rating: 96 (-2)
weapon length: 105 (+2)
thrust damage: 22 pierce (-1)
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 1
Gold: Hmm.. same as arab cav 6,900 (+280)
For mw, it'll get +3 to cut, +2 to thrust and +1 to speed.


I mostly compared it to arabian cav sword, knightly arming, nordic champ and spathion. As they are it's counterparts in the criteria of length. Has less pierce than knightly arming but more cut. Has less speed than knightly arming and nordic champ, but also faster than arabian cav sword. Also has the same cut with nordic champ sword but 1 point lower than arabian cav sword. It also has more thrust than arabian cav sword. etc etc... Also added +2 length to bring an end to this ridiculous comparision of small length difference. 2 length hardly matters in most cases in my opinion, but lets keep it same so people won't be deciding too much depending on that.