Is archery nerfs fair? (Updated 03.05.2013)

[OttomanSniper]

Arhery Nerf List From Game Start:

• Bow damage reduce 1
• Bow damage reduce 2
• Arrow speed reduce 1 (Killing fine-tuning 1 and reduce damage)
• Number of arrows reduced
• Slot system was introduced (Its bad only for ranged players
• Bow weight increase 1
• Increase archery upkeep. Average horse archer upkeep 2,5k, archer upkeep 1,75k
• Arrow weight increase 1
• Ladders remove from battle (Now archers the best choice for cav dinner)
• Arrow weight increase 2
• Jump shot removed (I guess because it is a sin according to their religion forbade, by taliban - because its illogical nerf)
• Arrow weight increase 3 (Now only one bag arrows 10.000 gr !!! i wonder how to fly this arows)(Real arrow weight max 50gr one, or its can't fly. (Pls use translate on this page: http://www.okyay.gen.tr/sayfa.asp?id=28 this page says arrow weight 15gr and this arrows used by Ottoman Army) (How 10.000 gr arrow omg) (A TINCAN CAN RUN FAST AND QUIET THAN ME! PLS ADD EXTRA SOUND FOR TINCANS!)
• Bow weight increase 2 (Horn bow was used from Turks and i have real Horn Bow in my home, its only 816 gr(With bag) not 2500 gr, its not steel...)
• Bow damage reduce 3 (Now its like s*it, i need 2 head shot for killing) (Power Draw: 8, I have: Horn Bow +3, Yumi Bow +3 Tatar arrow +3, Bodkin Arrow +3)
• Arrow speed reduce 2 (Killing fine-tuning 2 and reduce damage)
• Arrow damage reduce (Its really funny, now bodkin +0 give 0 pierce)
• Archer melee power reduced, my attacks bounced now. (Power Strike: 8)
• 05.03.2013 All arrow weights +1 and bodkin weight +3... (Most brainless ever)
• There's more, but I remember only this nerfs.

But two handers still crying like premature.

Summary: ARCHERY IS TOO HARD, TOO EXPENSIVE AND NOT FUNNY

Thanks for read.

[Gmnotutoo]

No it isn't fair, but a lot of melee people are going to disagree with you just because they hate archers.

[FrugFrug]

I personally think Archery is balanced right now. Now all we need is a nerf to 2h stab.

And before I get called melee elitist: I've got a level 31 Short Bow archer alt that I frequently do good with. (good meaning 1-5th place.)

[Malaclypse]

• Slot system was introduced (Its bad only for ranged players

Fibs.

[XyNox]

I know its been said a thousand times and this thread will be flooded shortly by handicapped children, claiming that archery is still OP but hell, the current state of archery is simply bullshit.

As of now I see little to no reason to play archer at all. Arrows are so damn slow, hitting someone who is aware that you are shooting him is more luck than ever. Hornbows dont kill people anymore, they are just for staggering enemies in a duel. Even I survive headshots from fully loomed bow and bodkins now with a 55 hp build. Archers still have no mobility and cant dodge horses if they are holding a bow in their hands.

Although I have more of a pure archer build I tend to walk around with GLA + hornbow recently because, even with 1 WPF, getting kills with a long melee weapon is SO FUCKING EASY compared to shooting people with a bow.

If you wanna be a ranged unit just grab a Crossbow ( like everyone seems to be doing these days ) and you have more damage, more accuracy, more missile speed and the luxury of not having to invest skillpoints as a requirement. You may have to reload but its not like cover is something scarce on the battlefield.

Rageball doesnt work either for archers anymore because of the weight nerf.

I understand the intentions behind the weight nerf and I do not at all miss the kiting aspect of archery but still I think this could also have been achieved with a mechanic a bit less retarded. What I dont understand though, instead giving some compensation for the mobility nerf, archers get another ranged nerf by nerfing missile speed and damage ??

This has been brought up so many times now. Long time archers like Bagge quit archery. I see more and more non-archer classes stating that the archery nerfs were too much. I still dont know what is wrong with the devs on this matter. I can in no way imagine that there is a dev who plays archer on a regular basis. Even Paul stated several times that archery is "on an all time low" but still nothing is done there.

[OttomanSniper]

I say devs too many times "i want free respec after big nerfs" but they dont give free respec. im lvl  34 (164,979,711 xp) now and they cant understand it. If can i leave archery i will make cav build. i dont have polarm wp but i can play good than archery this class.

ARCHERY IS TOO HARD, TOO EXPENSIVE AND NOT FUNNY

[the real god emperor]

As a cavalry, i can honestly say, archery is really nerfed, and archery should ve been buffed, because no horse can move after getting shotted from head. Buff archers! (But remove kiting)

[OttomanSniper]

because no horse can move after getting shotted from head.

what ????

I need 2 hs for killing stumpter. 8PD and all equip+3

[Armycook_of_KSantiago]

what ????

I need 2 hs for killing stumpter. 8PD and all equip+3

he meant that's the way it should be, not what it is like in game now.

[OttomanSniper]

I've got a level 31 Short Bow archer alt that I frequently do good with. (good meaning 1-5th place.)

"Short Bow" ? Are u sure? My Rus Bow +3 shots bounce on tincans some time. (8PD)

[Tzar]

Archery only just reached a somewhat balanced state.

Why dont you guys just adapt : I see plenty of good archers that does really REALLY well!

Try getting used to not being able to run n shoot. Get a 1slot weapon like Tenne.


Also you really moan and bitch in your post. You did try to make a few points , but they got drowned in self biased piece of shit text..


PS: Melee have gotten just as many nerfs as archery.. You really make it sound like archery is something special that keeps getting stomped upon..

[Patoson]

Archers were nerfed? Sure, but now the majority of players are archers so that kinda compensates. 

[XyNox]

I dont actually expect a useful retort but lets try anyway:

Why dont you guys just adapt : I see plenty of good archers that does really REALLY well!

Who are these archers that do REALLY well tzar and when/where do they play ? What is your definition of REALLY well ?

Try getting used to not being able to run n shoot. Get a 1slot weapon like Tenne.

You missed the point, its not about kiting. How does getting a 1slot weapon fix archery ? Getting a 1slot weapon is at most a way to avoid using your bow. When a dedicated archer build is forced to use a melee weapon over the bow because melee outperforms archery to such an extent, then something is very wrong.

Also you really moan and bitch in your post. You did try to make a few points , but they got drowned in self biased piece of shit text..

How is he moaning and bitching ? How is he biased ? It is a list of nerfs that have been applyed to archery. Whether the list is correct is another thing to discuss.

PS: Melee have gotten just as many nerfs as archery.. You really make it sound like archery is something special that keeps getting stomped upon..

No, melees didnt get as many nerfs. Melee is still 100 % controllable. There are no random dice which decide whether you hit or not. There is no weightnerf that makes you a sitting duck when cav looks at you wrong. Melees also get their 2 or 3 slot weapon and thats all they need.

I would be delighted if I actually got at least a few of these questions answered.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

You missed the point, its not about kiting. How does getting a 1slot weapon fix archery ?

You should have to use a freaking melee weapon once you finally get caught, kiting is a horrible 'feature'.

And archery is UP, however it being buffed would be horrible.

[XyNox]

You should have to use a freaking melee weapon once you finally get caught, kiting is a horrible 'feature'.

And archery is UP, however it being buffed would be horrible.

You got me wrong there. Of course you should carry a melee weapon as a backup. With the current state of archery though, your bow is in fact the backup weapon as it is easier to get kills in melee, even with an archer build.

Missile speed and damage has been nerfed so much that basicly any armored 2h hero can charge an archer on an open field without too much risk. While spinning like an inertialess helicopter he will dodge most arrows fired at him.

The problem is that archers have to sacrifice EVERYTHING in order to shoot. They are basicly peasants, peasants with bows. And for all the things you have to give up, being able to shoot as it is now is in NO WAY a compensation for all the things you lose. The only way to really be usefull as an archer right now is to not shoot at all and get a big easymode melee weapon.