Possible solution to future whine

[frostbourne]

i'm only pissed cause i spent 3 gens heirlooming my sword to find that it is not available. Without any compensation too

[chaosegg]

I lean towards no wipe, but I'd still play, and love it either way.

Great patch; just fix the bugs.

Thanks!

[Malaclypse]

I am all for a total wipe, having lost my heirlooms anyhow, I have nothing to lose, and peasant wars sound very, very fun.

[Wulzzz]

Well....and what will happen now?

[Whalen207]

tl;dr: "We don't want to lose hours and hours of grinding just to start again  ."

Instate that all Chars start at level 29.
And btw chadz, we're not whining because we want an advantage. We're whining because you don't ever post what changed. Those at a disadvantage suddenly suck. We feel like you just change things on a whim. You should play your own game once in a while.

ALSO FUCKING BUFF AGI
ITS POINTLESS

[Fkpuz]

I would be totally for a complete wipe.  Bring those people who are at like gen 1million down a peg.

[Razzer]

Just change crpg to how it was a half year ago...

[Tydeus]

Balance isn't as bad as you make it seem. I have a dedicated cavalry, hybrid shielder/thrower, dedicated polearm and dedicated 2H-er. I'm not a good player, but can get a decent score with any of them if I put my mind to it.

Wait that's... that's not called being balanced at all.

[Nasturtium]

Here, lets all listen to some calm classical guitar.
Sit down and put your feet up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJUVgYsmyvY

 I know your upset chadz, with the amount of abuse you and your guys are getting, and as a programing student I can totally understand how much work went into this, and I am bummed at the amount of whine as well.  That being said you cannot in all fairness place the blame squarely on the playerbase, you and the other devs also have to take some ownership as well.
 
  If you want to decrease the amount of whine, I would suggest being slightly more transparent and interactive with the community in the dev process. If people had a slightly clearer idea of what you were working on and what to expect come release day, all the arguments and concerns, as well as built up frustration at any percieved imbalance in the current version would be dissipated over the course of months, rather than built up to a fever pitch of anticipation and dissatisfaction.
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 I certainly understand that you guys don't have the time to adress everyones suggestions and posts, and that to find a good idea you have to sift through loads of crazy, but you could certainly dissipate alot of stress simply by engaging the community more.

 And of course, players need to chill the fuck out as well.

  Thanks for the hours and hours of kicks, keep up the good work guys!

 -nast

[Malaclypse]

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Here, lets all listen to some calm classical guitar.
Sit down and put your feet up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJUVgYsmyvY

 I know your upset chadz, with the amount of abuse you and your guys are getting, and as a programing student I can totally understand how much work went into this, and I am bummed at the amount of whine as well.  That being said you cannot in all fairness place the blame squarely on the playerbase, you and the other devs also have to take some ownership as well.
 
  If you want to decrease the amount of whine, I would suggest being slightly more transparent and interactive with the community in the dev process. If people had a slightly clearer idea of what you were working on and what to expect come release day, all the arguments and concerns, as well as built up frustration at any percieved imbalance in the current version would be dissipated over the course of months, rather than built up to a fever pitch of anticipation and dissatisfaction.
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 I certainly understand that you guys don't have the time to adress everyones suggestions and posts, and that to find a good idea you have to sift through loads of crazy, but you could certainly dissipate alot of stress simply by engaging the community more.

 And of course, players need to chill the fuck out as well.

  Thanks for the hours and hours of kicks, keep up the good work guys!

 -nast

Well said. Players need to approach devs with their concerns in a civil, respectful, thorough manner instead of just bitching about how their advantages are lost. +1

[iood]

Maybe just make everybody lvl 1 again, but they will keep their heirlooms and gen? If its possible ofc.

yeah, imagine amount of whine from ppl who had 200 xp to go before next gen.... XD

[RagnarLodbroke]

Just change crpg to how it was a half year ago...

THIS!

[Cris]

I rather not have a data base wipe...

People should just shut up and keep on playing without unnecerary whinne (there will always be some whinning )...I played HA when it was the best prof, play it know that it sucks...people should play the prof they want to play, not the one that gives them an advantage...

Honestly, I think making everyone start from 0 over and over again will only push people away from the game...

On top of this, after playing a few hours today, it seems that the game is really well balanced...I've seen shield, polearm (no shield), 2h and ranged users do well in the server...with the new 2 slot for some items, am not finding anyone with a set up similar to what the 2h to fight infantery, pike for horses and crossbow to kill ranged combo did...everyone has weak point and a strong point. This is a really good job.

If anything, heirloom reset would be better than total reset whinning wise...but I rathe have no heirloom reset, as I think people should heirloom the items they enjoy playing with, and not which ever is "overpowered" thanks to a patch/bug...

so id leave the game as it is, and ignore the whinners.

[Korgoth]

Just change crpg to how it was a half year ago...

[kinngrimm]

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So, using the principle of "don't hate the players, hate the game", it's up to me to propose a solution to this problem.
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Opinions?

as true the statement is as true would be the following

Do this and you loose a lot of longtime players, the grinders like me and those who have worked over a year in their spare time to get to gen 3.


Options:
1. As been told before, make release notes where EVERYTHING what is changed is in there and even better show a detailed information site before even you are going to change something. In that way nobody gets surprised and pissed and you include the community into the development process.
2. As a developer myself i needed to get a thick skin to outsite voices, if i am standing behind an idear i push it, if not i get overruled.