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Possible solution to future whine
« on: April 29, 2011, 03:22:12 pm »
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I have thought a long time about what caused this amount of whine. The answer is actually quite easy:

People are not looking for balance, they are looking for advantage. If an advantage is taken from them, no matter if justified or not, they whine. Pretty understandable, actually.

So, using the principle of "don't hate the players, hate the game", it's up to me to propose a solution to this problem. The only fair way (and most efficient one, too!) is to wipe the database every time new weapon stats are released. This will ensure that no one is at a disadvantage, because everyone can find the new "OP" weapon, like everyone else.

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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2011, 03:23:29 pm »
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love the idea :)

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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2011, 03:24:55 pm »
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I thought we liked the whine, surely we don't like to grind again and again without any gen multiplier
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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2011, 03:24:58 pm »
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i would not mind some peasant wars ")

even tho i would miss my 11 generations :(
« Last Edit: April 29, 2011, 03:26:03 pm by Cepeshi »

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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2011, 03:25:18 pm »
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Take it ease chadz
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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2011, 03:25:31 pm »
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sounds like a good idea
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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2011, 03:26:41 pm »
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good idea, I wouldn't mind this.
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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2011, 03:27:40 pm »
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It is impossible to achieve "perfect" balance in a single patch, especially when the only ones testing the new values and changes are a few men. Having a "closed beta" for each balance patch would help to ensure that more items remain balanced and the amount of whine reduced.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2011, 03:33:53 pm by Belmont »

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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2011, 03:28:04 pm »
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What? Its just cos people are naturally conservative and hate change. And as you say, they're looking for advantage, not balance. But the whine always goes away after a while, same with every patch.

Though a complete reset would be fun, people will just whine about that too. And then whine about scythe being OP cos it has longer range than a hatchet.
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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2011, 03:29:29 pm »
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Maybe just make everybody lvl 1 again, but they will keep their heirlooms and gen? If its possible ofc.
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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2011, 03:30:55 pm »
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Maybe just make everybody lvl 1 again, but they will keep their heirlooms and gen? If its possible ofc.

Even if this will happen at gen 4 you can masterwork your favorite weapon and gives you some time to look and new weapons, could be very interesting.
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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2011, 03:31:02 pm »
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I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2011, 03:31:37 pm »
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Just remove retirement, generations and heirlooming already. It'll fix most of it.
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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2011, 03:32:46 pm »
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I guess with a simple heirloom-reset most people would be satisfied...

And i think contemplating the massve changes it actually is kinda justfied...

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Re: Possible solution to future whine
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2011, 03:33:32 pm »
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Most people dont "whine" because of a minor advantage they lost. They whine because all their "work" to get a masterwork something was a waste of time.

I hate patches because they always turn out as a new grind marathon getting started.

Deleting the database would mean even more grind.

Why not the other way around, no grind at all, every char starts with all the attribute and skill points a char has at level 31 and all you have to do is to spend the points the way you want?

And upgrade items not for grinders but for donators.
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