Ranged gime cRPG back plz :/

[CrazyCracka420]

atleast i can hit the cav or block (if not being couched )but ranged just shooting from miles away before you get to play youre already dead how "FUN" ...

That's the strength of archers.  They can hit people from a distance.  But if you get up close, they are weak to melee. 

Every class has strengths and weaknesses.  In the battle server I prefer to have all classes on our team working in unison (one classes' strengths is protecting another's weaknesses).  If I'm putting an army together, I want archers on my side.   Just as I would want 2h's in heavy armor, pikemen, horsemen, etc etc.

[no_rules_just_play]

however, i think arrows shouldnt do any damage to plate armor. that is just plain stupid

[peter_afca7]

MEH

Archers help to get the diference between one shitty Arcade and one medieval simulator.

Actually ranged have to play very strategically, thinking in teamwork, and cannot do all things they would like to.
That should apply to all classes.
I think this is the idea of mod that tje devs have and i think that is the reason for why so many people get interested in this.

i don't know but alot of ppl can't be arsed to play anymore cause of ranged i'm not the only one

most are allready gone tho

[Kafein]

That's the strength of archers.  They can hit people from a distance.  But if you get up close, they are weak to melee. 

Every class has strengths and weaknesses.  In the battle server I prefer to have all classes on our team working in unison (one classes' strengths is protecting another's weaknesses).  If I'm putting an army together, I want archers on my side.   Just as I would want 2h's in heavy armor, pikemen, horsemen, etc etc.

We should really organise this sometime. A full archer team vs a mix of shielders, pole/2h and cav and an open map.

[peter_afca7]

That's the strength of archers.  They can hit people from a distance.  But if you get up close, they are weak to melee. 

this is how it should be but it isnt cause they turn around and run away and even if they have to run away the hole round they will do it so thats the main problem

[no_rules_just_play]

We should really organise this sometime. A full archer team vs a mix of shielders, pole/2h and cav and an open map.

already happened: the horn bow battle where a fallen caravan that was transporting horn bows and (dont know what kind of) arrows, was attacked by (?)nords in medium armor. the fallens where naked and had no melee weapons. the nords were just slaughtered

[CrazyCracka420]

We should really organise this sometime. A full archer team vs a mix of shielders, pole/2h and cav and an open map.

More than likely to happen with the terrible balance system   Just get archers to all put one banner on, and everyone else put another banner one.  Archers vs all and see what happens (I'd bet heavily against the archers, but that's only if the enemy has shields). 

Being able to hit people before they can hit you is a huge strength.  And I agree with no rules just play, most arrows should glance on plate armor (should have a small random chance to do damage to signify hitting a piece of the plate that is weak).

That's why it's very important to protect your own archers and crossbows.

[peter_afca7]

We should really organise this sometime. A full archer team vs a mix of shielders, pole/2h and cav and an open map.

good idea but i will be spectator cause that is my nightmare

[Miwiw]

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Players will play the game as its designed. Why should they enter melee combat if they can run and shoot? For players that don't want to learn the nuances of melee combat ranged is a very easy way into the game. You can fail repeatedly, for the whole round and still feel like you took part. Fail a single block as melee and you can be dead and no longer playing. The main draw of ranged is that you can play all round and not be put under pressure until the very end, especially if you can get up high where you feel safer

If ranged had similar risk vs reward as melee or cav they would lose some HP each time they missed a shot. People get so much damn ammo they can go to a hill and spam all round..something will hit regardless of skill. Its not even hard by FPS game standards since all targets move so slow. Mostly you're combating RNG in the shot and the target changing direction just as you shoot. Crossbows don't even need to be pure ranged. They have these point & click weapons as well as any melee weapon they want and medium armour, with plenty of ammo to shoot all round. These guys can still kite as well if they want. I wear medium armour as melee guy since to me heavy isn't really worth the extra weight.

There are so many tweaks to the game that could be made to increase the pressure ranged fight under. Roofs seem to have creped back into the game on loads of maps. The ammo could be reduced to encourage people to take care with their ammo or to get closer to the fights. The stagger that can debilitate a melee player and prevent him approaching can be vastly reduced or even removed. The headshot random kills can be removed. Jumpshotting can be removed (I see people landing hits by jumping and shooting over walls). 2 slots for ammo can be removed to 1 slot only, and even then ammo can be reduced. Damage type of ranged could be changed to a new type, and horses and heavy armour could be more resistant to this ammo type

It won't happen though because the tweaks to ranged are never enough. Even last time they couldn't just make them kite less, the devs go and buff the top tier bows and reduce the PD penalty on WPF. Each time they try to nerf ranged they add some extra buff in at the same time. Happened with head shots tweak too. The damage on bodies has creped back up to decent damage, and still the head shot damage is a 1 hit kill most of the time.

Sorry, I currently dont have the time to read your whole post. But I think I get your point by the first sentence. I wouldnt support an archer nerf or support that an Archer has to go into melee. I am fine with the current situation, but ofc I hate archers running away.

I'm no Archer hater (unless Im an Archer myself).

[Penitent]

A[r]chers!
A[r]chers!
A[r]chers!
A[r]chers!
A[r]chers!
A[r]chers!

  I like 'em.

[donib]

Make siege shields lighter and more spamable

[Penitent]

http://forum.meleegaming.com/guides/%28guide%29-how-to-defend-against-archers-xbows-and-not-become-a-statistic/

[no_rules_just_play]

Make siege shields lighter and more spamable

well the problem is: whenever you are trying to get a formation, all that infantery (lets not say 2handers again) gets bored and just leaves the group to die one by one. they dont even think about waiting a good moment or charging in one group while attacking the enemy while he's seperated, no they just walk up the main group or totally split up.

[Wiltzu]

The Fallen Archer Squad is creating a lot of rage =/

[CrazyCracka420]

The Fallen Archer Squad is creating a lot of rage =/

It shouldn't matter how many archers are in one faction and wearing one banner.  The balance system should try to put relatively even numbers of each class on each team.  To do anything else is asking for a pub stomp.  These are public servers after all, not scrimmage servers, not match servers.