Ranged on a roof

[Leshma]

Despite the fact that ladders got removed, archers and other ranged scum still find a way to get on (inaccessible) places such as house roofs. Honestly, I wouldn't have any problem with that if not for a simple fact that people who are in charge of maps didn't block most passages that lead to roofs.

My question to the admins and higher authorities? Does that means being on roof on those unpatched maps is the same as exploiting or it is allowed? If you think it's exploit, please "ask nicely" those roofmongers to get off during the round, not just at the very end because it gives them unfair advantage.

[Panos]

NERF 2H.

[highglandeur]

Who cares about some roofcampers when two-handed nubs are EVERYWHERE?

[agweber]

If they used a siege shield to get up there it's not okay, otherwise if they can get up there, you can get up there. Learning to parkour maps is as vital a skill as footwork for combat imho.

Also on the topic, a lot of maps are being ruined by blocking off rooftops. Way to take the strategy out of cRPG.

When I first started however many months ago, I loved seeing a rooftop of ranged with the entrance/ladder being protected by infantry, and the infantry being protected by cav. This is teamwork at its best.

[Leshma]

Who cares about some roofcampers when two-handed nubs are EVERYWHERE?

Oh well, personally I'm not having many issues with 2H. In groups they aren't that strong and on their own most are noobs. Good ones mostly abuse kicking, but I'm not sure am I for further kick nerfs or not. Strength build combined with high armor rating combined with 2H is the real issue.

[Leshma]

If they used a siege shield to get up there it's not okay, otherwise if they can get up there, you can get up there. Learning to parkour maps is as vital a skill as footwork for combat imho.

Also on the topic, a lot of maps are being ruined by blocking off rooftops. Way to take the strategy out of cRPG.

When I first started however many months ago, I loved seeing a rooftop of ranged with the entrance/ladder being protected by infantry, and the infantry being protected by cav. This is teamwork at its best.

Wholeheartedly agree. But they "fixed" maps for a reason. If they didn't, there would be no reason to complain.

[Adamar]

It's unfair when some people have the player skill to make trick jumps and others dont.
Remove that too, there's no saving this mod anyway...

[agweber]

It's unfair when some people have the player skill to make trick jumps and others dont.
Remove that too, there's no saving this mod anyway...

May as well remove manual blocking while you're at it.

[Dach]

Bring back ladders! 

[WITCHCRAFT]

The rules state that camping a roof and hiding are okay to do, as long as you are not the last person alive in your team. If you are the last one alive, you must leave your perch or hiding spot and fight. I've had in-game admins on NA_1 and EU_1 tell me otherwise. I didn't pursue the argument any further, because I think that a case-to-case ruling by the admins works better than a draconian YES/NO system. Someone might not be breaking the rules, but if they are ruining the fun for a large number of players admins should be able to say "hey, knock it off" or similar.

I love seeing a team in battle use terrain to their advantage. Defending choke points and firing from a good spot is much more interesting (and fun!) than just walking forwards until you can swing.

[Paul]

Despite the fact that ladders got removed, archers and other ranged scum still find a way to get on (inaccessible) places such as house roofs.

Those are not archers. Those are wizards.

[Azlanek]

They should bring back accessible roofs. It would be much more fun to conduct ambushes from the rooftops.

[San]

I'd  be fine with it if there were more viable counters against it..  Right now, the only choice is to ignore it. Even with a successful suicide charge, the opposing team can just destroy the ladder.
The (flat) roof provides cover against other ranged, allows another blind spot to shoot over shields, safety from cav, a controllable choke point for infantry to flow in, and melee don't know from where you'll begin to shoot from. Slanted roofs are easier to deal with since it leaves them susceptible to other ranged.


There are maps with built-in ladders that pose no large problems. It would be nice if the map provides a limited number of movable ladders. Player brought ladders from spawn, even if there are dedicated ladder users, balance/team-switching makes it difficult to ensure both teams get them.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I'd even be fine with re-adding ladders if all roofs were easily accessible by multiple paths (including at least two that cav can get up on easily), but most of the roofs that you can get onto you can only reach by jumping on that fence and then onto that barrel and then onto that rooftop and then onto that other rooftop and then onto that wall and that means it's a long difficult path were the first my old friendcher who got up there can freely fire on everyone else, and people can only go up one person at a time, and cav can't reach it.

[Kafein]

Those are not archers. Those are wizards.

I would say that if trying to get access to these roofs automatically translates in your death (because you get shot to pieces if you try to climb up there), these roofs are for all intents and purposes unreachable.


Also, if ranged are ever going to get invulnerability roofs back, I want flying cavalry and infantry ghosting under the terrain.