Nerf longspear and pike.

[Tanken]

I would say Pike and Longspear damage is relatively weak, I mean, hell, the Long Awlpike has 35 pierce (MW'd) and Awlpike has 36.

[Zanze]

Did you read that in my post? Where exactly?  As I said 29 pierce dmg isn't low, no matter if we're talking about polearms, 2h or 1h. Noone in his right mind say German GS has weak thrust dmg and when polespear has exactly the same dmg (or slightly worse in the case of pike) it's low? Yeah, makes sense 

Refer to Tankens post. 29 pierce damage for a +3 spear is low.

[Royans]

Seriously, those weapon are the last fucking thing that can deal with cav ( if we forget dat range  spam we got those day) , asking for a nerf is so weird... its fine like it is.

[Royans]

Shit im drunk delete!

[no_rules_just_play]

i have tried pike, but i decided EITHER i suck OR it needs a serious buff.
really i have never seen such slow weapon that glances all the time and has also too much reach actually (with this reach your teammates are permanently in your way or when you stab you stab them because the animation actually takes like 5 sec or something, enough time for a teammate to jumpy in front of your pike again)

[PawelDelta]

Pike and longspear must have off block. And all will be happy +200lenght is not possible to block -.- if pike and longspear can block i want throw my Heavy lance and sword.

[Perverz]

Only class i hate are lancers. That is low skill,shittiest class in the whole game.
So OP when you fight them on horse.

yo redneck! again you and your complaining about lancers.......
i cant remember u killed me one time in game when i was on foot..... even your turtle shield cant help u.....
jadnice jadni, izbrisi igru i odi se pred zgradu pikulat bolje nego da places ovdije ko placipicka svaki puta....seljo!

[BlueKnight]

yo redneck! again you and your complaining about lancers.......
i cant remember u killed me one time in game when i was on foot..... even your turtle shield cant help u.....
jadnice jadni, izbrisi igru i odi se pred zgradu pikulat bolje nego da places ovdije ko placipicka svaki puta....seljo!

A bit like Tzar but Tzar is rather focused on ranged

[Tore]

Saw the title:

[Teeth]

To be honest I am very surprised at the strong conviction of most people here that longspears do not deserve a nerf. Not that I mind.

[Malaclypse]

Did you read that in my post? Where exactly?  As I said 29 pierce dmg isn't low, no matter if we're talking about polearms, 2h or 1h. Noone in his right mind say German GS has weak thrust dmg and when polespear has exactly the same dmg (or slightly worse in the case of pike) it's low? Yeah, makes sense 

Spears may have the same or better thrust damage than the German, but you know what they don't have? In the case of the Long Spear and Pike: side-swings. In the case of 4 directional spears: side-swings worth a damn. War Spear packs a whopping 20 blunt fully loomed, and all the others are even worse.

[Leshma]

To be honest I am very surprised at the strong conviction of most people here that longspears do not deserve a nerf. Not that I mind.

Many things deserve nerf but I don't think that would help the gameplay. Except maybe HP and armor nerf but that would piss off many players.

[Kafein]

Many things deserve nerf but I don't think that would help the gameplay. Except maybe HP and armor nerf but that would piss off many players.

Wouldn't piss me off honestly. I have one of the most damaging weapons in its category (+3 military hammer, 31b) and some people survive more than 8 hits, even though they have heraldic mail. Of course I would die faster too but I think the whole game would be better off.


Maybe the simplest way to fix that would be to partially roll back the soak/reduce changes that were made like a year ago now. Or, removing the HP bonus from strength, which should be possible when the devs break retrocompatibility and switch to WSE2. Dunno.

[Zanze]

There is your problem, blunt vs heraldic mail. Cut is still better at that point by a bit. So, not really a valid "this is op" statement.

If you are talking about everyone and their mother rolling 36-3 and claiming they are "good" or "pro". A better example would be one where 1 player is able to 1 shot everyone fighting him, while taking multiple (5+) hits to die. Check siege for this. Siege is spawning grounds for 36-3 builds.

[Prpavi]

it's all about the animation abuse that pisses people off nothing more.

Piking the sky than hitting the face. can't even block it sometimes. same goes for lolstab, it's still OP (i play 2h)

abusing animations=unfair advantade--->nerf. sounds fair to me tbh.