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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2012, 02:06:16 pm »
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Aaand moved again.

Cheers CMP, the OP started the realism argument, couldn't let it stand :D
I don't know enough

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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2012, 02:56:28 pm »
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Aaand moved again.
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2012, 04:41:03 pm »
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2012, 06:01:37 pm »
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You obviously know more about these weapons than I do. I accept your argument. I was wrong.

It does not however change the fact that game-wise, thes two weapons are unbalanced.

And I would like to point out that my original post was NOT about realism. It merely was a side note from an unreliable source. Please, do not label this topic as a realism discussion about katana. It is about balancing these weapons so that they are fair stat-wise.

Cmp, please move this topic to the game balance section, if you are to move it at all.
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2012, 07:45:21 pm »
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buff, buff, buff catana to  25 pierce!!!

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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2012, 09:57:48 am »
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My source is not exactly the most reliable...an american youtube video comparing katana and longsword...you know what? scratch that 'realism' thing.

Thing is, it is still too expensive for what it is. Actually, HBS is now worth more than the top tier greatswords, seing how many people want to trade it .

I'll be looking at facts. Fact is, katana is not balanced compared to HBS. If you do not agree, then you can't judge properly.

You should have stopped after you mentioned the source of your information, we all know what video you're talking about. The joke old, can you cut it out?

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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2012, 12:20:04 pm »
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Right, now that everyone had their say on the realist side of the comparaison, can we stick back to the topic?
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2012, 01:16:19 pm »
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All I see from the comparison is that the costs are a little bit off. Should give the bastard equal cost of the katana imo, but thats really nothing to bitch about as the loommarket has made everbody rich anyway.  :rolleyes:

As for the stats.....seems perfectly fine and equally balanced to me. This is not threadworthy.

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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2012, 04:21:08 pm »
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All I see from the comparison is that the costs are a little bit off. Should give the bastard equal cost of the katana imo, but thats really nothing to bitch about as the loommarket has made everbody rich anyway.  :rolleyes:

As for the stats.....seems perfectly fine and equally balanced to me. This is not threadworthy.
I agree about the price being a small factor.
HBS has 10 more reach and 5 more thrusting damage. Thrust is the attack with the longest reach, therefore it is very important to the stats of a weapon.
If it is balanced, why does every 2h beg for a MW longsword (which is just the stronger version of the HBS) yet only RPing ninjas crave for katana?
I can accept the fact that the katana does not have the best looks, but even so, HBS being considered the best 2h weapon now, you'd at least expect the katana to be demanded if it was as good, wouldn't you?
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2012, 04:59:34 pm »
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Comparing to the Katana, HBS is balanced. Its mainly about looks but also the lenght. HBS is considered to be the sexiest looking weapon in the game. And the fact that Danish and other such weapons  were nerfed into more of a supportweapon according to some players, the demand for bastardswords increased dramatically.

Katana is a weaboo weapon, which means in order to look even remotely awesome, you need weaboo armor, which really isnt as varied as euro/turk stuff. Also, due to its range, you cant take cav down as well as a jumphit with a HBS can. So the HBS is also slightly more versatile than a katana. But the katana compensates it with having 2 points more damage than HBS. It might not seem much but  2 points acctually count alot. Exdanisheroes who speak of "speednerf" can approve this. :lol: So its mainly about the lenght and looks really.
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2012, 09:33:26 pm »
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+2 to dmg is massive buf

look at miadao now uber OP shit
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2012, 09:55:27 pm »
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you pay extra for the privilege of being a weeaboo and tolerated :D 
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2012, 10:09:56 pm »
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+2 to dmg is massive buf

look at miadao now uber OP shit

I couldnt really say, havent died to a single Miadaouser after the patch. I just lolstab them to death with my Gsword like a douche that I am.  8-)

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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2012, 12:18:16 pm »
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+2 to dmg is massive buf

look at miadao now uber OP shit

Miaodao is OP indeed. Shame it looks like shit.
you pay extra for the privilege of being a weeaboo and tolerated :D 
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2012, 12:36:18 pm »
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I can say that having used both weapons quite a large amount; HBS is definitely better than Katana. I felt this way even before the Katana's "nerf" (I believe it was a nerf, the main factor that made Katana a good weapon was the speed). Now that HBS is faster, longer, has a better stab and is significantly cheaper while having a slightly weaker swing, I argue that it is quite a lot better than the Katana. They are both good weapons but comparatively the Katana could use some form of buff.
That being said, Katana was primarily used by Weaboos and roleplayers beforehand and it will always be this way; people crave aesthetics.

On a side note, I don't find the HBS model in any way attractive. I have a masterwork and I use Finalboss' heirloom pack but I find the Longsword much more attractive than the HBS, that being said the HBS is better for my build. :)
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