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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2012, 12:21:29 pm »
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I wouldn't mind :D although I am talking here of common sense, something that is not given to dictators
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2012, 12:23:56 pm »
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HBS is op compared to the Longsword too. Longsword should get 1+ speed 1+ trusth and and HBS should get 1+ swing or something like that imo.

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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2012, 12:30:44 pm »
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HBS is op compared to the Longsword too. Longsword should get 1+ speed 1+ trusth and and HBS should get 1+ swing or something like that imo.
Ye, sure, just give HBS and Longsword +9000 to each stat  :rolleyes:
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2012, 12:33:30 pm »
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I think the buff itself was a mistake, but I thought that if I suggested a nerf everybody would lynch me :D
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2012, 12:55:49 pm »
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The faster HBS is now better.. Wasn't that what you all wanted?

I don't quite understand the reasoning for the katana trading speed for damage.. Although the pierce buff was fair enough. In any case its better now than it was, if not as spammy.

I think the shift into making shorter weapons more viable is a good change, at least from the wep-range biased EU perspective. Combat can now be faster.. :)
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2012, 12:58:21 pm »
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katana is already unblockable so why not buff it more?   :rolleyes:
Also on mw 41 cut is so shit. right? it need at least 51 cut,crushtrough and bonus agains shields.

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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2012, 01:05:54 pm »
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It's not unblockable, and if it was, not any less unblockable than the much longer HBS..

Anyway.. I'm out of here.
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2012, 01:09:09 pm »
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MW katana in with 9/30 will beat MW heavy bastards 12/27 build :P
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2012, 01:13:26 pm »
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2012, 01:14:50 pm »
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Yes it will.....

Fucking Khorin at night, with ninja armour and katana beat my lovely bastard (sword)....plus i couldn't see the damn blade...if that gets buffed...i may cry

Can't see the blade? Lol SirBadsight? :lol:   

The Katana got a semi buff / nerf, more damage but less speed :cry:
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2012, 01:18:32 pm »
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2012, 01:18:58 pm »
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Realistically speaking, a katana has more piercing penetration than a longsword....

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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2012, 01:28:30 pm »
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS FUNNY!
there was soo many threads about katana, there is soo much information in internet, there is human brain....
and wqe have that thread up every 2 weeks
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 01:37:59 pm by Rebelyell »
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2012, 01:56:57 pm »
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What Bob wrote was:

Despite all the information available in this day and age about the relative hardness and brittleness of european and japanese steel, the different fighting styles and the different design aims of the japanese katana vs the european longsword, people quite capable of using their brain choose not to, and put forward this warped hollywood view of the katana.

The european longsword (and therefor the bastard sword, a very similar sword in all but name) was designed for a fighting style that involved stabbing and piercing armour, and almost bludgeoning with the blade, since a fairly unsharpened blade can still easily cut flesh but is less likely to warp and break when colliding with metal armour. Their PRIMARY focus when designing the longsword was the stab, since it is very fast, hard to parry, and is very effective against armour. The european steel used in both the armour and weapons WAS superior to Japanese steel of the time: this is not some ethnocentric remark, and does not reflect badly on the Japanese, it is simply they had poorer natural materials at hand.

The katana was, unlike the longsword (or bastard), was sharpened as much as possible, because the aim of the katana is the drawing slice: if you are swinging a longsword, it is best to swing it in an arc, but the katana you pull towards you as you swing, so it does not just cut, it slices. They honed the point of their katana because it can be useful to be able to stab an opponent, but the shape of the blade, the folding and forge welding of steel they used and their fighting style were ALL unsuitable for stabbing to be a primary concern.

It is worth bearing in mind that many men at arms and knights of europe would view a well made longsword as their primary weapon, with a dagger as a sidearm, and a buckler for catching speartips prior to rushing down the shaft and killing the spearman.

Not so with the japanese: the katana and tanto were both sidearms, and while of course many amazingly skilled swordsmen excisted and practised their art, once on a battlefield the vast majority would rely on: horse archery, the Nodachi (horse sword) and Naginata (a glaive or hafted blade), and the spear: Sure on horseback both european and japanese nobles would rely on a polearm, but samurai were horse archers very often, since horse archery IRL is very OP and they didnt gain their priviledged position in society by ASKING for it.


So: Longsword, great weapon
Katana: a badge of rank worn by nobles, but in combat a last ditch weapon.


Can we now please stop romatisizing that katana is so great. Its just a pretty average sabre, admitedly cosmetically apealling.
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Re: HBS vs Katana
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2012, 02:04:51 pm »
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Aaand moved again.