Who is really the greatest european nation?

[Panos]

Not sure how any of it was influenced by "primitive" outside influences (i.e pretty much identical pantheistic religions). The usage of the word primitive is particularly faulty considering egyptian religion had been around for thousands of years earlier than the greek.

http://atlantis-today.com/Atlantis_Atlantis_Code.htm

http://www.matrixbookstore.biz/pyramids.htm

waste 5 mins of your time and read.

And then rethink who was influenced by who.

[darmaster]

Where do you think the Imperial roman cult came from? All roman emperors deified themselves. As for Alexander's Amun-Ra cult, it was merely an extension of the whole "son of a god and a mortal woman" mythos, specifically Zeus in this instance, which was repeated over and over in greek culture. Many powerful political figures and myths (especially Hercules) had that as an origin. Alexander had already begun his own deification before he ever stepped outside of the greek mainland.
Not sure how any of it was influenced by "primitive" outside influences (i.e pretty much identical pantheistic religions). The usage of the word primitive is particularly faulty considering egyptian religion had been around for thousands of years earlier than the greek.

hmm i'd like to know how the deifying itself makes roman greatness such only because of greeks and alexander. also you really think that those emperors still believed in such things as zeus or hades or whatever? most of those emperors were generals that took power through their army. when they did all the good (and bad) things they did they couldn't care less about religion or deifying themselves or whatever; this is a thing that had developed later, during their lead, but even if it hadn't been there, it wouldn't have changed that much.
i'm sorry i didn't really understand the primitive things; i said that greeks were innovative =/= primitive, while middle eastern and eastern relgions weren't (they were primitive)

[Panos]

Btw, guys, why is USA not on the list?..

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because USA`S history is McDonalds and KFC.

[darmaster]

The Greeks were the ones who influenced Roman culture the most. The patricians ( the Roman aristocrats ) HAD TO be able to speak Greek. The Greek element is ubiquitous in Roman culture. However, the Romans weren't as fascinating as the Greeks; they didn't make any important discovery.

There is a popular belief that the Celts were more influential in Roman culture than the Greeks, however this is totally wrong; the Romans adopted the same important deities that the Greeks worshiped, even the Roman temples looked strikingly similar to the Greek ones. The Greek language was as important as literary Latin. The Greek way of life became the Roman way of life in the sense that the Romans would go three times a day to wash themselves in public bath houses, lived in towns, had an advanced infrastructure and also the old Latin alphabet was based on the GREEK alphabet



They were never influenced by none because they had everything a nation needs.

Own language, own religion and own customs.

k thx bb.

and please set aside my "nationalism" it ain`t my fault that my country has the greatest history and culture that this world has ever seen. 

lol about that nationalism it was a joke i said because you told me to reducate my self P: anyway i agree with you that CULTURE (not laws not military not politics) was thousand times more developed in greece than in any other place, but that's it. greece didn't expand anywhere, the greatest thing they did (which could have changed history) was blocking persians' advance. but apart from that, i believe romans overall did more important things, maybe not that much (maybe yes) but that's what i think; and that's true, considering romans as italy is wrong. because many good personalities that were romans weren't actually italian; seneca as maybe the greatest roman philosopher was spanish; trajan, probably one of the greatest political figures of history was spanish and so on.

[Oberyn]

Greeks didn't expand anywhere? Whaaaaaat?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_period

[darmaster]

Greeks didn't expand anywhere? Whaaaaaat?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_period

ups yes sorry that was bad :/ little lapsus lol. arguing with you guys takes too much time and energy

[Abay]

Btw, guys, why is USA not on the list?..

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Are u serious? America is not a nation. Nations have their own languages.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Are u serious? America is not a nation. Nations have their own languages.

lol
Turkey is a bird, gg.

[Abay]

lol
Turkey is a bird, gg.

I dont know why u took Turkey with ur answer. You better take Jews as EU nation.

[Lars]

Are u serious? America is not a nation. Nations have their own languages.

That is wrong imo, a language can play a big role in "building a nation", but it's not fundamental to create a nation's  idenity.
In Austria,Germany and Switzerland(well, most of the Swiss) people speak the same language: German (Deutsch whatever), but still, they are different nations... the same could be said about Ireland,Wales,Scotland : i really doubt that a big part of the population of those countries  can write and speak fluently in Gaelic; the main language over there  it's Englis, but that doesn't mean they are English .

[Abay]

That is wrong imo, a language can play a big role in "building a nation", but it's not fundamental to create a nation's  idenity.
In Austria,Germany and Switzerland(well, most of the Swiss) people speak the same language: German (Deutsch whatever), but still, they are different nations... the same could be said about Ireland,Wales,Scotland : i really doubt that a big part of the population of those countries  can write and speak fluently in Gaelic; the main language over there  it's Englis, but that doesn't mean they are English .

I respect your comment but it is only a comment. Also there are facts. If you can research about language sciences and histories, you will see that the language is the skeleton of a nation. 

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

I respect your comment but it is only a comment. Also there are facts. If you can research about language sciences and histories, you will see that the language is the skeleton of a nation. 

Saying you're not a nation without your own private language is beyond idiotic.

[Ronin]

Wasn't adorf hiler claiming austria and germans are all german people?

tried to type chocolate chip cookie dictator and this happened  :
albert einstein

Edit: loool

[Fringe]

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Pay no attention to darmaster, he's an idiot. Panos, despite his obvious bias, is totally right. Roman culture, military, laws, literally everything that made them a civilization, had greek origins, initially from the Etruscans and Magna Grecia, later from the conquest of Sicily, the greek mainland and greek Anatolia, not to mention the dozens of greek colonies spread around the Meditterranean . Of course they were not identical, and greek culture itself was an amalgamation of tons of different cultures, from egyptian to persian to babylonian. Even greeks themselves had different cultures depending on geographical area (achaens, dorians, aeolians, etc). And Caesar, like again literally every single general in the Roman period, knew very well who Alexander was and emulated him. Greek gods and myths became roman gods and myths, Hercules and Alexander being a huge part of the warrior mythos.
As for Alexander's empire collapsing immediately after his death, it completely ignores the entire Hellenistic period. The diadochi still ruled the vast majority of his empire. Egypt was Ptolemaic, i.e ruled by greek rulers descended from Ptolemy when the romans conquered it. It remained entirely greek culturally throughout roman occupation, like the greek mainland and Anatolia, you know, the nucleus of that little empire known as Byzantine (i.e: East "roman") that outlasted the actual romans by a thousand years.
There's a reason the term Greco-Roman World is used to describe the culture.
As for aqueducts being a roman invention that barely merits a reply, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqueduct_%28water_supply%29.

Ok I completely worded that wrong. Personally I thought somebody would jump on me for accidentally calling Darius Alexander's Protagonist...but not so.

I know that the Greeks influenced what would become most of the rest of the world...All I wanted to state was that Julius Caesar never followed Alexanders example. It is known that he did weep before the statue of Alexander in Spain, confirming his respect for the man. Even so, that doesn't mean he took Alexander as an example.

[zagibu]

He wept because he was homosexual and Alexander was his great inspiration for daring toga outfits.