Who is really the greatest european nation?

[Phalanx300]

The Netherlands, ofcourse.

[Teeth]

the problem is if everybody would behave like switzerland in foreign politics (would always just try to profit), the world would be much different place. we'd all either speak german or russian. fuck switzerland i say and their selfish attitude.

If every country behaved like Switzerland the Russians and Germans would've never left their own borders. 

I'm sorry, had to do it. On a more serious note and less nitpicking note. World War I was effectively caused by the 'great nations' of the time and their power politics. World War I pretty much caused World War 2, ofcourse einstein was a constant but he would've never been able to seize power like he did without World War I, World War 2 caused the Cold War. So revering the Allied countries as heroes because they 'fixed' the mess they created themselves, does not make them better than Switzerland in my book.

Noteworthy is that Soviet aggressiveness is a western interpretation of what happened, similar to the way Soviets viewed themselves defending against capitalist aggression.

[Firebrand]

If every country behaved like Switzerland the Russians and Germans would've never left their own borders. 

I'm sorry, had to do it. On a more serious note and less nitpicking note. World War I was effectively caused by the 'great nations' of the time and their power politics. World War I pretty much caused World War 2, ofcourse einstein was a constant but he would've never been able to seize power like he did without World War I, World War 2 caused the Cold War. So revering the Allied countries as heroes because they 'fixed' the mess they created themselves, does not make them better than Switzerland in my book.

Noteworthy is that Soviet aggressiveness is a western interpretation of what happened, similar to the way Soviets viewed themselves defending against capitalist aggression.

Yes

[Beauchamp]

apparently u didnt understand what i wrote, but its ok.

[Adamar]

If we accept that the roman empire jumpstarted civilisation in Europe, then it's Itally.

[Teeth]

If we accept that the roman empire jumpstarted civilisation in Europe, then it's Itally.

Had little effect in the end as civilisation in western Europe basically went back a 1000 years after the Romans left.

[bagge]

Oh well, Sweden should be in the poll

[IR_Kuoin]

Seriously? Fucking Denmark? Even if I'm Norwegian I think that Sweden should be in that poll not Denmark. Sweden was the mightiest scandinavian country for a very long time. But Denmark? lol

[Ujin]

Had little effect in the end as civilisation in western Europe basically went back a 1000 years after the Romans left.

Some ancient roman highways still exist even up to this day, not to mention how useful those were for centuries after Romans "left". That's just the simplest example i could come up with.

I'm not quite sure  what you mean when you say "had little effect in the end", but i hope you can very carefully elaborate on that point.

[LordBerenger]

Oh well, Sweden should be in the poll

Probably got the most atheists in the world as well. And most chocolate chip cookies euhehehehe derp.

[Torben]

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[Teeth]

Some ancient roman highways still exist even up to this day, not to mention how useful those were for centuries after Romans "left". That's just the simplest example i could come up with.

I'm not quite sure  what you mean when you say "had little effect in the end", but i hope you can very carefully elaborate on that point.

The point I responded to was

If we accept that the roman empire jumpstarted civilisation in Europe, then it's Itally.

When saying that the Romans jumpstarted civilization in Europe, that implies that their civilisation was preserved and expanded upon. That is not what happened at all though. When the Roman Empire fell, the invading tribes were not able to continue at a similar civilizational level. In fact the entire Roman legacy was pretty much lost and Europe got plunged back into tribal society. It took Western Europe almost a thousand years to get architecture, trading, law, manufacturing, literacy and science to a level beyond what they were in Roman times.

So the jumpstart had little effect, because all progress was lost for a long time, atleast until the Carolingian Renaissance. Sure highways remained and proved useful, but that is not really a continuation of the same level of cilivisation, cause they were not able to recreate them or even maintain them.

[Tibe]

Switzerland is crazy man. Blowing the entire country up if war starts. Good tactic that has saved their butt many times. You can only pull that crazy shit when you rich and got really nice stuff to blow up.

[Phalanx300]

The point I responded to wasWhen saying that the Romans jumpstarted civilization in Europe, that implies that their civilisation was preserved and expanded upon. That is not what happened at all though. When the Roman Empire fell, the invading tribes were not able to continue at a similar civilizational level. In fact the entire Roman legacy was pretty much lost and Europe got plunged back into tribal society. It took Western Europe almost a thousand years to get architecture, trading, law, manufacturing, literacy and science to a level beyond what they were in Roman times.

So the jumpstart had little effect, because all progress was lost for a long time, atleast until the Carolingian Renaissance. Sure highways remained and proved useful, but that is not really a continuation of the same level of cilivisation, cause they were not able to recreate them or even maintain them.

The dark ages weren't that dark..

[LordBerenger]

The dark ages weren't that dark..

Ye they were white euehehehehehe