The Annexation of Ismirala

[Cicero]

Mercs started again lol

One question mercs ;

Nords attacked crusader alliance as your speech and other stuff why the fuck you are whinning for ?

I mean there is a problem here

1) If nords attacked mercs ; nap is not gonna work
2)If nords attacked crusaders ; mercs gtfo

Which one ?

[Lizard_man]

Either way it's got fuck all to do with you. So, "gtfo"

[Harpag]

I have some experience in dealing with these factions, so I allow myself to sophisticated diplomatic advice 

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[Bjord]

Awesome start for Strat 4 EU! See you all in the battlefield.

[Noctivagant]

I have some experience in dealing with these factions, so I allow myself to sophisticated diplomatic advice 

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You mean :

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[the real god emperor]

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[Plavor]

After reading all the posts, my opinion is :

Please stop this drama! Templars and Mercs had made a deal and Nords made a reaction.
Both sides still disagree on the reasons, but at the moment, all of you are trying to blame one side.

Seriously, you are even arguing with stuff that doesn't belong to this "deal" for example that nords have UIF support and aren't as neutral as they tried to.

IMO, you ( all factions ) should clearly state what they want and what not if they made any deals.
In addition, the only factions that should actually discuss this are Mercs,Nords and Templars but I haven't read a single answer of the Templars yet.

Nobody is "neutral" as you state to be.  If you have ever played cRPG and/or read stuff in the forum,. you would create an opinion about certain clans, happenings and so on, so basically
only people who haven't made any experiences about cRPG madeness are truely neutral

[Plavor]

After reading all the posts, my opinion is :

Please stop this drama! Templars and Mercs had made a deal and Nords made a reaction.
Both sides still disagree on the reasons, but at the moment, all of you are trying to blame one side.

Seriously, you are even arguing with stuff that doesn't belong to this "deal" for example that nords have UIF support and aren't as neutral as they tried to.

IMO, you ( all factions ) should clearly state what you want and what not if you make any deals in the future.
In addition, the only factions that should actually discuss this are Mercs,Nords and Templars.

Nobody is as "neutral" as you state to be.  If you have ever played cRPG and/or read stuff in the forum, you would create an opinion about certain clans, happenings and so on, which may influence your point of view.
So basically only people who haven't made any experiences about cRPG madeness are truely neutral.

[Casimir]

I haven't read a single answer of the Templars yet.

My 'answer'

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To all those saying we were looking for an excuse to break are NAP, simply ask Adrswaru how many offers were made to him.  From the last minute talks that were held with him it seemed he was less than willing to negotiate with us and was intent on attacking the castle no matter what happened, this is understandable i suppose as once you have committed your army it would be embarrassing to withdraw.


I can say for myself and alpha we were simply trying to insure we didn't get screwed by both parties. Ofc. this is strateugs so we did.


We were originally meant to transfer Jelbegi to the Nords in exchange to an NAP.  This was dome in a fairly casual way, with very few proper terms written out, which is what has caused this rapid break down in relations. 

The second issue here was in fact to do with Members of the Deserters (not the Templars or the Mercs) damaging the s&d in Nord fiefs.  It seem that some people had believed that Deserters were under the control of the mercs, which apparently they are not.  Andswaru felt that the action of the Deserters was a fair reason to reclaim Jelbegi castle in order to secure the Nord borders.

At the same time as these events were transpiring, a  fief exchange from the mercs for Senuzgda Castle was changed. Templars were not set to gain control of Ismirala.  As this was seen as a private dealing between ourselves and nords i did not see that it needed to be published.  it was not until yesterday when the announcement of annexation was made that i learned the full extent of the problems.

During the talks several deals were offered to Andwarsu, all of which he felt were inappropriate, either inadvertently dragging him into an alliance with factions he did not want or denying his members access to larger battles.

At no point have we attempted to incite or insult the Nordmen, their leadership or members.  We were civil with them and sought to solve this problem diplomatically.  During the discussion threats were levied by Andswaru that if the NAP were to be broken that the Nords would 'declare themselves to the UIF', whether this was made as a quip, or as a genuine threat i cannot say but i am sure it is a warning of things to come.

I grow tired of strategus, the diplomacy and the misrepresentation of my clan by others who were not present at teh talks yet feel they have a right to comment on how events unfolded.

tl:dr We got played by nords at the diplomacy game.

And discussion about UIF is relevant to this topic as it was part of the negotiations.

[Plavor]

Sry Casimir, I changed my post because I forgot that you are a templar

[the real god emperor]

Real Madrid - Atletico Madrid? Im on the side of Madrid.

[Bjord]

My 'answer'

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And discussion about UIF is relevant to this topic as it was part of the negotiations.

He also missed the part where there was a violation of agreement, i.e hostile activity during the cool down period after the NAP was cancelled.

[Jarlek]

I think my offer to hold Ismirala as an independant lord is the best solution.  As everyone loves me.

Actually a good idea. Let's get a randomer to hold it. Someone not in favour of Nordmen nor Merc/Templar/Fallen/HRE/

[Miwiw]

War is war - dont argue about it!

(or battle is battle, whatever...)

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Actually a good idea. Let's get a randomer to hold it. Someone not in favour of Nordmen nor Merc/Templar/Fallen/HRE/

How about King Werfried? He has declared war on you and everyone else so he's perfectly neutral.