Removing jumpshots

[Templar_Steevee]

Give the bows a huge amount of weight and problem solved, no more olympic archers running around.

Those olimpic archers are mostly hi lvl archers, standard archer on lvl 30 have 7-8 ath

Then give them melee capabilities.

won't help, if archer can kill enemy from safe distance why should he come and figth in melee?
Belive me, figthing with hand axe or other 0 slot weapon isn't funny, especially when enemy got long weapon

[justme]

i love when people want to balance their own class..

for instance, i propose removing jumphits from pikes.. (as a lvl 35 dedicated piker)

[OssumPawesome]

nononononononono
jumpshot is sweet
and its not even really good.  its inaccurate as fuck.

[Tzar]

Aslong as you don't remove it from throwing 

[Overdriven]

Those olimpic archers are mostly hi lvl archers, standard archer on lvl 30 have 7-8 athwon't help, if archer can kill enemy from safe distance why should he come and figth in melee?
Belive me, figthing with hand axe or other 0 slot weapon isn't funny, especially when enemy got long weapon

Not if they are slowed down. But if they are slowed down they need melee weapons. That was my point. Slowing them down means they can't run. I can keep up with most archers with my hoplite ffs. All except the lightest of light. Raising bow weight would make a big difference from my pov.

[Elindor]

... i propose removing jumphits from pikes.. (as a lvl 35 dedicated piker)

This.
But also the archery thing that is on-topic

[Ptolemy]

Maybe only allow jumpshots if you have 2 more Power Draw than you need to draw the bow. e.g horn bow requires 7 PD to jumpshot and rus bow requires 8.

This would buff strength archers and maybe reduce the number of kiting ones. It would also give people a reason to take the lower level bows at a high level, since all you see past level 20ish is horn, and rus (maybe the rare yumi, tatar or long). This would mean that with the 15/21 archer build you could take a horn bow with no jumpshot, or a nomad bow with jumpshot - variety?

Maybe.

[Rhekimos]

What about running with the bow drawn?

[Templar_Steevee]

Not if they are slowed down. But if they are slowed down they need melee weapons. That was my point. Slowing them down means they can't run. I can keep up with most archers with my hoplite ffs. All except the lightest of light. Raising bow weight would make a big difference from my pov.

my weapons (bow, 2 stack of arrows and hand axe already got almosy 10 weigth), so pls stop telling shit about increasing weigth of bows

[Kafein]

my weapons (bow, 2 stack of arrows and hand axe already got almosy 10 weigth), so pls stop telling shit about increasing weigth of bows

Still, archers drawing their bow then escaping by running sideways plays and looks completely retarded.

[Templar_Steevee]

Still, archers drawing their bow then escaping by running sideways plays and looks completely retarded.

yea, that's true. I'll make a thread with my solution of this problem, but a bit later
This is thread about removing jumpshots not "how to change archery to make them useless"

[Moncho]

I agree that jumpshots can be and feel stupid, but it is not a problem with bows only.
How many times have I been poked to the face by a backjumping pikeman? Or a mauler hitting you over your shield in siege? Quite a few.

What about making bows unbalanced, this would not affect its fighting style (you can still notch/unnotch arrows as usual) at all, BUT you could then remove jump slashing/thrusting/shooting with ANY unbalanced weapon?

[Templar_Steevee]

mauler hitting you over your shield in siege

It looks like hitting over your shield. In real life try to get a hit in shield with 8 kilo piece of metal (or somthing heavy)at the end of a stick from very strong person and tell my when you will go off from hospital. After hit like that your arm will be broken (there were many tests made to check it, I watched some of them in TV).
Crushthrough is probably the most ballanced thing in cRPG atm. It's random and you have to got many PS to see it preety often

[Haboe]

Weren't they removed somewhere in the past already? or was that a bug? Noticed they were gone for some weeks, loved those weeks. Then they returned.

[Tzar]

Weren't they removed somewhere in the past already?

Well some of the devs have archers an loves it obviously