What the hell is up with the upkeep system?

[wayyyyyne]

Siege is always 6 minutes long.

Except when attackers win after 45 seconds.

And afaik repairs are excatly the same it's just that ticks are somewhat more frequent.

[TheAppleSauceMan]

I make money using Glaive, Heavy Kuyak, Red Wisby Gauntlets, and Gotland Helmet. Oh and Rus Cav Boots. So.....?

[camperus]

great maul+siegue = long x5 

[Corsair831]

I know this is getting rather old  to hear: Cav OP, archer OP,2h OP, your moms butt OP, upkeep sucks, but what the hell?

I always tought that the upkeep system was being fair, cause I played with heavy armor. Now I played with extremely light armor for many many many hours/days, the only thing that costed anything was my greatsword and I still gained no money at all. And the x5 wasnt very rare aswell. I mean wtf? I feel like im getting conned here by the local blacksmith who keeps repairing my stuff with dirt. Cant we fix this? Cause I dont feel like going naked with a 2h stick.

i make buckets of money in my light gear

[Riddaren]

The problem with the upkeep is that archers pay too little.
That's why they are so many. People are actually saving money by playing an archer for a generation.

The best equipped foot archers pay 1500-2000 in upkeep.
The best equipped cavalry players pay 4000-8000.

I seriously don't see why archers should not pay 3000-4000.

The dedicated archers will still play archers.
But overall the number of archers will decrease and thanks to that the archer class doesn't have to be nerfed.

[Lt_Anders]

You obviously don't know jack about archers. Even though they wear light gear, they have nerfs that make arrows repair every round, nearly. They pay the same as a standard footman.

[matt2507]

The problem with the upkeep is that archers pay too little.
That's why they are so many. People are actually saving money by playing an archer for a generation.

The best equipped foot archers pay 1500-2000 in upkeep.
The best equipped cavalry players pay 4000-8000.

I seriously don't see why archers should not pay 3000-4000.

The dedicated archers will still play archers.
But overall the number of archers will decrease and thanks to that the archer class doesn't have to be nerfed.

Archers should not pay more, cavs should pay less.

I think by now we have these damn exorbitant repairs supposed to nerf the class called "op", everyone could see that it did not change anything about the use of these classes by the players.

And therefore it is stupid to keep repairs at a so high cost.

[Tears of Destiny]

The problem with the upkeep is that archers pay too little.

Our shit breaks much more often, between the bows wpf being brutalized by WPF penalties (My effective wpf despite having 7WM is about 65 due to PD penalties), and arrows have a greatly increased break chance period.

Old archers had this problem of making too much money, the new ones though have their stuff break much more often then normal, balancing things out. Additionally, we have a lower score, lower kills, so why should we pay as much as a "main" class? We are a support class, so leave it at that.

[Tindel]

44,646 goldCost
3,122 goldUpkeep (max)


I play as a 2h with a dgs, medium bordering on heavy armour.
I make money.

I dont see a problem. If upkeep was less than it is, i could sustain plate armor indef. I dont think it would be good for the game.

[Taser]

I have a 2k repair bill or so on my main but I can easily make money with him. Plus I have an alt that was a pure str guy to mess around on with a 3k+ bill which also makes money.

I don't see the issue with repairs. Cav knew going in that they were most likely going to lose money since horses have a high mending bill (repair bill sounds so weird) by themselves.

People who complain about upkeep don't understand that you need a buffer since sometimes shit hits the fan and you run a continuous x1 while your stuff breaks more than usual. Shit happens.

[Riddaren]

You obviously don't know jack about archers. Even though they wear light gear, they have nerfs that make arrows repair every round, nearly. They pay the same as a standard footman.

Why should they pay the same as a standard footman?
Upkeep isn't fair and has never been. It's about limiting certain classes and use of items considered too much to deal with for melee infantry.
Like ranged and cavalry.

Additionally, we have a lower score, lower kills, so why should we pay as much as a "main" class? We are a support class, so leave it at that.

That depends. Sometimes it's better to be an archer than a horseman.
I'm not even a good archer. Still I can top the scoreboard with it.

And don't tell me it's a supportive class. I can go skirmish taking on several horses.
It's the only class imo that can take on any opponent, in any situation, on any map.

Not saying archers are OP. Most archers are weak and harmless due to bad player skills.
But in the hands of a good player, the archer is the most deadly class.

If you have played a clan match you should know that a good archer is the most valuable player for his team.
My suggestion will prevent archers from being nerfed by decreasing the number of archers by incresing upkeep.

Again, upkeep has very little to do with fairness. It's main purpose is to limit the use of "OP" items like heavy armour and horses.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Just remove fucking upkeep entirely, most people would wear full plate if they felt particularly stronger wearing it already...
Most cav would ride plated chargers if they felt plated chargers were op...
...an example is archers, they got bodkins, an arrow kind that beats other arrows horribly, one of the only times (besides the 2h items) where the expensive items are truly greater, and EVERY archer uses bodkins, proof upkeep is useless.

[Riddaren]

Just remove fucking upkeep entirely, most people would wear full plate if they felt particularly stronger wearing it already...
Most cav would ride plated chargers if they felt plated chargers were op...
...an example is archers, they got bodkins, an arrow kind that beats other arrows horribly, one of the only times (besides the 2h items) where the expensive items are truly greater, and EVERY archer uses bodkins, proof upkeep is useless.

I would support that. The game would balance itself somewhat.

I wouldn't be on an elephant for sure because I know it's shit.
Just like an archer knows it's useless to be using plated armour.

If something is "OP" and too many start to use it, it will become less effective due to more players learning how to counter it and also due to more competition between those who play it.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

The game would balance itself somewhat.
I wouldn't be on an elephant for sure because I know it's shit.

Just like an archer knows it's useless to be using plated armour.

Besides a few items (like pure cloth, nobleman outfits, the Dadao, and a few others) there are no items that are beaten by another item in everything.
As long as 95% of the items aren't balanced by the pricetag upkeep is useless, maybe back when (I heard, didn't play back then) plate was strong there'd be a reason for upkeep, but not anymore.

[Kafein]

Besides a few items (like pure cloth, nobleman outfits, the Dadao, and a few others) there are no items that are beaten by another item in everything.
As long as 95% of the items aren't balanced by the pricetag upkeep is useless, maybe back when (I heard, didn't play back then) plate was strong there'd be a reason for upkeep, but not anymore.

This.