Fix one-handed overhead

[Molly]

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[Teeth]

I know 2 well respected players I havent heard complain about it even once while playing: Bjord and Vagabond.

I fucking hate it and complain about it everyday.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

I fucking hate it and complain about it everyday.

yea but you're not respected 

[HarunYahya]

1. NO, 1h should not be an exception to the crpg physics

Yes , it should .
Attacking with 3meter long pike , attacking with 120cm long greatsword and attacking with a 100cm scimitar are all different things and due to lenght, grip , weight distrubution of those weapons and simple fucking logic , they shouldn't suffer same idiotic nerf.

[Son Of Odin]

Yes , it should .
Attacking with 3meter long pike , attacking with 120cm long greatsword and attacking with a 100cm scimitar are all different things and due to lenght, grip , weight distrubution of those weapons and simple fucking logic , they shouldn't suffer same idiotic nerf.

Realism ugh... Balancing according to "realism" = no fun fun . I'm just sad to see overheads fucked like this. If I read right and cmp is planning on making the turning limit angle different depending on the weapon reach, I would suggest taking the real length considering animation bonuses too. Polearms have a wide grip which makes them relatively easy to move, but you lose some reach in exchange. Otherwise it's all weird again.

[Zanze]

Idk. I'm using overheads with a 73 reach axe and it seems to be fine...

All you gotta do...is lead your shot BEFORE you release the swing.

[Everkistus]

I think NA is still running the old version of WSE where polestagger is enabled. This doesn't apply to you guys if I'm not mistaken.

[Gravoth_iii]

Remove turning speed limitation for everything.

[Zerran]

I think NA is still running the old version of WSE where polestagger is enabled. This doesn't apply to you guys if I'm not mistaken.

We have the turning speed nerf, the only difference as far as I am aware is polestagger.

[FiDO]

I die all the time from these little 1-H blitzkrieg weapons using overhead.  I'm a 2-H circus mallet wielder.  Perhaps you haven't discovered the OP 1-hander of the moment.  Currently, based entirely on my experience in-game, and absolutely no scientific study of any kind, the list of 1-H weapons that repeatedly beat my ass down as of 7/6/12 is:

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[San]

Now a mauler is complaining about short 1h, the class it counters most? Now I've seen everything.

[Camaris]

Actually he is right ;) But thats no problem.
If the 1h does know what to do the mauler never ever will hit him with his overhead.
But that´s also true for every fast and short weapon.

[San]

Short 1h is the only class where a mauler can dodge the swing and has room to enclose the gap. Not to mention stun shield. Not saying short 1h is that bad against it, but they should be his easiest target if his character is quick enough, and even easier if the 1h has more things to worry about. Either way, he was probably joking since he mentioned the knife. Great maul can't get 2 overheads in a row(but has high knockdown chance) but mallet certainly can.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

How about fixing 1h stab, heck, that thing was practically broken before the damn patch, I've got alts for nearly every fighting style, and here is how the patch affects 'em: Polearm Ashwood pike, can still stab, pretty much never glance, no issue. Polearm german poleaxe (ran it for max 3 days, as an STF, currently don't have it, so yeah): Worked fine, no problem. danish greatsword/longsword: Stab is still insanely strong, no real nerf, heck, if I want to I can still jump right infront of a guy and facehug-facestab him, overhead is fine too even though I don't use it much. 1H: Even before the damn patch I've landed perfectlooking hits with my 0+ Espada (the short 30 pierce one) on the back of a fleeing kuyak DGSr, then have it glance and have him 180 turn and oneshot me with a sideswing which I couldn't block due to glancestun. Stabbing is way harder now than it was before, don't use overhead much but never found that big an issue with it before/after the patch.

[rustyspoon]

How about fixing 1h stab, heck, that thing was practically broken before the damn patch, I've got alts for nearly every fighting style, and here is how the patch affects 'em: Polearm Ashwood pike, can still stab, pretty much never glance, no issue. Polearm german poleaxe (ran it for max 3 days, as an STF, currently don't have it, so yeah): Worked fine, no problem. danish greatsword/longsword: Stab is still insanely strong, no real nerf, heck, if I want to I can still jump right infront of a guy and facehug-facestab him, overhead is fine too even though I don't use it much. 1H: Even before the damn patch I've landed perfectlooking hits with my 0+ Espada (the short 30 pierce one) on the back of a fleeing kuyak DGSr, then have it glance and have him 180 turn and oneshot me with a sideswing which I couldn't block due to glancestun. Stabbing is way harder now than it was before, don't use overhead much but never found that big an issue with it before/after the patch.

Honestly I find that stabs work pretty well now. Since they changed when the stab becomes active it's pretty easy to reliably stab someone. The only real problem is you have to be a better judge of their position along with your timing. Once you get used to it you can land stabs all day long.