Nerf them

[Taser]

Plus view range as we all know is now limited to a 4 foot circle around the player.

Armored horses aren't nearly tough enough.  A fully armored plated charger should take nothing less than a thermonuclear weapon to take down.

Best thread. Love the two above me.

Thanks for bumping bagge. Hilarious.

[zagibu]

All valid points. Implement A.S.A.P.

[Patoson]

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Hello.  I have been playing M and B warbands since September of 2010.  I have also been playing cRPG since that time.  Goretooth is to blame for my addiction to the mod.  That all being said I think its time that I've weighed in on nerfing.   First as LoveSoma and now as Suckus Khan


Archers need to be nerfed.  Especially hybrids.

I've played an archer pretty much exclusively since I started, a hybrid specifically.

Archers are entirely overpowered in this game.  My God. Today I've actually managed to get my K/D ratio down to 1:2.9   this is completely unacceptable.  Here are my suggestions on how to nerf archery so that the game is balanced.

1.  Archers should not be able to wear any armor that has metal in it. Period.

2. Arrows do entirely too much damage. In Fact, they shouldn't damage anyone wearing armor at all. I suggest lowering the damage at least 50% if thats not enough lower it more!

3. An archer should not be able to carry any weapon except their bow. Blocking? HAH whoever heard of such a thing. Once the infantry is upon an archer he/she should be slaughtered without a fight.

4. The upkeep of arrows is way too cheap.  Running with a Red Gambeson, Kergit Leather boots, A +2 hornbow, and leather gloves with 2 bodkin arrows I only lost 8000 gold over 2 hours of playing. Thats entirely too little. I should have been broke.  Raise the upkeep of arrows from 2x to 5x.  That'll teach us to use arrows that actually do any damage.

This brings me to the next ranged class Throwers.  They are completely underpowered. I have no idea why so many people use throwing weapons. I have some suggestions to make them a little more balanced for gameplay.

1. Any target within 10 meters should be an automatic hit. Period end of story.

2. Armor should be negated by throwing axes and javelins.

3. When used as a melee weapon they should be given better stats. Javelins should be given better reach too.  At least the reach of a pike if not more.

4. Axes should be able to break a shield in one hit. Yes, even steel ones.

Finally, Cavalry.  Cavalry is a very underappreciated and underpowered class. What good is having a huge horse if you cant trounce some meager peasants with it. Here are my suggestions to balance the problem of Cavalry being underpowered.

1. It takes entirely too few arrows to take a horse down.  Once I saw a horse come down with as few as 3 bodkin arrows. Here in Texas, where I am from, most horses could take at least 6 to 8 arrows before even limping!

2. Knockdown damage isnt enough. If a full speed horse hits you, no matter which horse it is, you should be killed instantly.  That goes for people on your own team as well.  I cannot tell you how many times I've been hit by my team mates horse to be appalled and dismayed that it only took 1/4 to 1/2 my life.  My first thought was "why am I still alive?"

3. Armored horses aren't nearly tough enough.  A fully armored plated charger should take nothing less than a thermonuclear weapon to take down. Anything less would be an insult to the glory of owning one.

4. The upkeep on horses is ludicrous. Lower it by at least 50% possibly 75%.


TLDR?

Remove archers from the game or at least nerf them out of existance, buff throwers (especially javelins and throwing axes), and buff the hell out of Cavalry.


Thankyou cRPG team and keep up the good work.

You made my day.

[Belatu]

get a shield

[Haboe]

Remove archers from the game or at least nerf them out of existance, buff throwers (especially javelins and throwing axes), and buff the hell out of Cavalry.

Iz a funny man this Suckus khan.

[Patoson]

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[Boss_Awesome]

Bump.  There still is archers

[Haboe]

Bump.  There still is archers

Bumping topics that are in the top 3 already, just because there are no sticky topics to bump up.

[Belatu]

It is a very important thread about nerfing archers, we shouldnt let die any thread like this for the sake of the mod.

[Froto_the_Loc]

I really can't tell if the throwing bit is serious or sarcastic.

[OssumPawesome]

nonononononononono
no.
firstly - fixing game balance with nerfing is dumb.  the less powerful things should be made more powerful so that classes over time become cooler and not duller.

also pretty much all op points are way off imo - archers are slightly underpowered, cav and to a smaller extent throwing are a bit over.
I don't think we need nerfs or buffs to fix these really, however.

tl;dr no.

[Germanicus]

erm
how long are Javelins in your books?

I do agree on plate armor negating arrows the arrows must be armor piercing either they would glance off and I think only heavy bows should pierce  armor.

but all this is very realistic etc but i'm sure some of these things will ruin the "fun" in this "game" it is a "game" after all.

+1

very realistic hmm? arrogant americans lol , you forgot to add magic to and dragons they were same realistic



this whole thing is just an big troll thread nothing else more



edit: sarcasm more i dont have to say

[owens]

chadz doesnt want his children playing with sharp weapons and hurting themselves.

So we get bows made of a coat hanger and an elastic band and foam swords.

[Riddaren]

4. The upkeep of arrows is way too cheap.  Running with a Red Gambeson, Kergit Leather boots, A +2 hornbow, and leather gloves with 2 bodkin arrows I only lost 8000 gold over 2 hours of playing. Thats entirely too little. I should have been broke.  Raise the upkeep of arrows from 2x to 5x.  That'll teach us to use arrows that actually do any damage.

Archery IS cheap.

You only pay 1/2 - 1/5 of what a cavalry player pay.
In a 1vs1 situation a good archer is superior to most enemies, no matter the class.

I don't see a reason to nerf archery, but I do think archers should pay more.

[F i n]

Archery IS cheap.

You only pay 1/2 - 1/5 of what a cavalry player pay.
In a 1vs1 situation a good archer is superior to most enemies, no matter the class.

I don't see a reason to nerf archery, but I do think archers should pay more.

Absolutely true.

If an archer can easily kill horses + riders they should have 1 piece of equipment equal to the horse (upkeep and cost).
Which even would be realistic... not bcus bows were very expensive, but because archers had to be high-trained. 

Lower the upkeep for arrows, raise the upkeep for bows! Especially for the hightier ones (long, rus). I think they should at least cost the same as the high tier horses.