Buff archers/hybrids

[Leshma]

I've made similar thread somewhere but I'm too lazy to update it. Anyways idea is to:

1) Make all bows 1 slot
2) Make all arrow quivers 2 slot
3) Double amount of arrows
4) New quiver weight - 2*currentweight*30% (not realistic at all I know but it's there to stop archers from running)
5) 1 free PS per 2 PD
6) Make all shorter polearms and twohanders 1 slot

Combined with upcoming weapon mastery overhaul, which will hopefully give ranged hybrids more WPP to toy with, this might fix the main issue most people hate , kiting.

I think that currently archers are pretty weak compared to strongest classes like 2H and lancer cavalry. Barely skilled lancers can pick off archers of same skill levels easily and most armored twohanders can survive a lot of body shots, unless they are running straight to an archer and having agi build.

Loomed archers are still strong but those players are really good at this game so they shouldn't be argument that archery is strong, because it isn't.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

*waiting for a leshma buff 1h thread  *

[Corsair831]

i'm impressed that you are admitting archers are weak as a 2h player leshma.

i think your changes seem pretty sensible. btw, what is the weapon mastery overhaul going to do ?

[Leshma]

*waiting for a leshma buff 1h thread  *

Depends.

So far, every pole/2H nerf is indirect 1H buff. Also chadz said they are considering speeding up the game which is also 1H buff. If that doesn't happen, some damage buff would be okay.

Currently 1H stab is shit but cmpx will fix that. Also with 1H+shield you can use a crossbow or throwing weapon. Or have backup 2H/pole. I'm aware that 1H weapons are still weaker than poles/2H in battle but it seems that is about to change.

[Leshma]

i'm impressed that you are admitting archers are weak as a 2h player leshma.

i think your changes seem pretty sensible. btw, what is the weapon mastery overhaul going to do ?

I'm not sure. I'm hoping it will nerf free WPF to the ground but grant more points to people who have high WM.

[Adamar]

2 slot quivers would remove the option to use a shield with a blade, wouldn't it?
Making sure that all archers have only 1 quiver is a good thing, but not at the expense of slots.

about nº 6, maybe only bastard swords, a longbowman with anything bigger seems weird.

[BlindGuy]

ALL BOWS 1 SLOT
Quivers 1 slot. Max 1 quiver.

To see how it works, try Vikingr mod, archers are VERY powerful, but they can only bring 1 quiver. It works well.

[Zisa]

no.

[BlindGuy]

no.

Well thought out. Really deep rationale.


Twat

[mcdeath]

I am not in favor of an archer buff/hybrid. I did a build where I had 8 pd and 6ps with 125 wpf in archer and 95 in 1h. Used a MW horn bow, +1 bodkins, and +1 langes messer. I generally got a lot of kills and this was when archery was nerfed into the ground.

[Leshma]

2 slot quivers would remove the option to use a shield with a blade, wouldn't it?
Making sure that all archers have only 1 quiver is a good thing, but not at the expense of slots.

about nº 6, maybe only bastard swords, a longbowman with anything bigger seems weird.

Not really, because all swords up to longsword are carried on the hip, sheated. Longsword is just slightly longer than bastard sword, no reason to exclude it.

I think that staff should be made into archer weaponry, just like most shorter two directional polearms. It would look kinda weird

Shielder/hybrid is a joke but I guess it can survive if certain cheaper shields are made into 0 slot. Only dedicated shielder/archer I know is KamTam.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

Depends.

So far, every pole/2H nerf is indirect 1H buff. Also chadz said they are considering speeding up the game which is also 1H buff. If that doesn't happen, some damage buff would be okay.

Currently 1H stab is shit but cmpx will fix that. Also with 1H+shield you can use a crossbow or throwing weapon. Or have backup 2H/pole. I'm aware that 1H weapons are still weaker than poles/2H in battle but it seems that is about to change.

this makes no sense i was a far more effective polearm/thrower hybrid just because i didnt have to invest in shield, i had more PT and more wpf in polearm and throwing and 7 ath

[Zisa]

Well thought out. Really deep rationale.


Twat

yes, because we need ten thousand more posts about why hybrids were a problem pre-patch, and I should put a lot of thought into the same reply every time.
Twunt.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

yes, because we need ten thousand more posts about why hybrids were a problem pre-patch, and I should put a lot of thought into the same reply every time.
Twunt.

I'll do it for you. 

Hi, I'm Zisa, I suck at twohander and is mad people with way less PS and wpf than me still beat me 'cuss I suck, so make everyone without more wpf and PS than me only carry one khyber knife, that way I can use the excuse of people with more WPF and PS having more WPF and PS and I can cry and commit suicide when the khyber knife users own me.

did I do good?

[Fuma Kotaro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVC_g68nUpo&feature=BFa&list=LLDJTPyk-1kMYgDk8cd00H8A