What's the primary weapon of an archer ?

[Ujin]

His bow and arrows ? Nope, it's his legs.

Solution - give archers more ways to fight back  and /or (optional) decrase their speed depending on the amount of wpf per say. Crossbowmen have their (still) op mace, but at  least it gives them a chance in a melee fight. Archers should not be the runaway whores everyone hates right now, they should be able to fight back instead of running away. Kudos to Tennenoth for doing exactly that .

Discuss.

[bruce]

Give arrows 50kg weight. Want to run away? Drop the bow.

Problem solved. A decent weapon so they can defend themselves more effectively is also good.

[[ptx]]

I had suggested a slightly better 0 slot melee weapon in IRC a day or two ago. Still inferior to 1 slot weapons, but with at least 70 length and so. The current 0 slot weapons are only useful for blocking a few attacks before getting a chance to run away.

[bruce]

Solution: Make throwing lances cost 1 gold and require 0 slots and PT, so everyone has throwing lances. That'd work too.

[Ronin]

I had suggested the exactly same thing before, so +1.

But I think the problem needs more thought to balance it properly. Decreasing their speed might be a bit crude, that running speed is not only for kiting; but also for the manueverability through the battlefield, fighting against cav, and even in hand to hand combat. I do not know the ultimate solution, but encouraging them to do melee is a good way to go while taking them something in return. Mostly the kiting ability, but not their running speed in general.

[Tot.]

Decrease significantly athletics after shooting a bow for 10-15 sec.

[Leshma]

Buffs:

1) Allow archers (and everyone else) to wear up to 15 kg total without losing wpp
2) Give 1 PS per 3 PD/PT (for free). Example: 6 PD archers will have at least 2 PS but max will still be 6 PS
3) Bastard sword, Heavy Bastard Sword, Katana, Longsword and Iron Staff - 1 slot weapons; Italian Falchion, Knobbed Mace, Spiked Mace, One Handed Axe - 0 slot weapons

Nerfs:

4) Increase bow weight by 300%, increase quiver weight by 30%

[BlackMilk]

leshma i hope you arent serious

[Vexus]

Make bastard sword 1 slot from 2.

The first bastard sword has low cut damage and it's not that long so it wouldn't be OP imo.

Ps. I never see anyone use it.

[PanPan]

2 ps isnt enough leshma Archers would still run.

[Tomas]

Double the ammo in a quiver but then limit archers to just 1 quiver each.

That will always leave 1 or 2 slots for a melee weapon without archers having to sacrifice ammo

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

The only way to make archers stop my old friendging out of melee IS removing their ability to run as fast as melee...
...then you can buff bow damage, buff bow accuracy, increase the arch of flight of arrows so aiming is harder...
...then you can heavily nerf greatswords and poleaxes...
...then you can fix shield forcefields so shielding arrows still requires some skillz or a board shield...
...then you can give cav native lance angle but make them so loud they can't sneak up from behind...
...then you can realize the mods balance is fixed and give me all your looms.

[Bobthehero]

But what about swashbucklers then? They still get lower protection and worst weapon than everyone else.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

But what about swashbucklers then? They still get lower protection and worst weapon than everyone else.

Italian Falchion is a fucking epic weapon.

[Bobthehero]

No it isn't, long espada is the proper weapon.