BAN request for Bandit_Vagabond

[Renay]

Are you actually serious??? How is it fair if a single guy is left and keeps on riding away so he can not be killed?? They had absolutely no chance to reach him and none of them had any ranged. I think this should just be left alone now and nobody should be banned.

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Are you actually serious??? How is it fair if a single guy is left and keeps on riding away so he can not be killed?? They had absolutely no chance to reach him and none of them had any ranged. I think this should just be left alone now and nobody should be banned.

So they had no chance of winning against him? So they are delaying?

[cmp]

If a horse archer or other ranged class is running away and shooting then he isn't delaying.
If people take cover so that he can't shoot anyone, he has to dismount and engage in melee. If they don't take cover, he can keep shooting and running until the round is over or everyone dies or he runs out of arrows.
This is the official stance, there is no other interpretation of the rules.

Nobody will be banned this time, but if people go on accusing ranged players of delaying while they really aren't, feel free to remind them that junk polls are a bannable offense because next time it will be enforced.

[dodnet]

If people take cover so that he can't shoot anyone, he has to dismount and engage in melee. If they don't take cover, he can keep shooting and running until the round is over or everyone dies or he runs out of arrows.
This is the official stance, there is no other interpretation of the rules.

HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAAHAHHAHHHAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAA... next time I bring a shovel and try to dig a hole to hide in this open maps without cover. 

There should be a rule like last HA/HX has 30 seconds to kill someone then he has to dismount. Its fucking boring watching this crap for minutes while dead/alive.

[Torben]

nm, has been said already

[Death_Dealer]

i have been kicked from a server by an admin while i was horse xbowman pre gen i was the last against about 10 guys including ranged and cav players:P it was an open map i wasnt hiding, was always close to the enemy to avoid whine about running away and was attacking. there are no rules that say horse ranged as a last guy is forbidden but i thnk it was common sense f*** common sense.

i dont know how to quote this properly:S anyways this is a post of mine it was the frozen lake map i thnk not sure about its name.

[Sir_Ironlake]

Ill let this of with a WARNING,

delaying can piss people off and isn't allowed, but take care that avoiding the enemy is not allways delaying (such as most likely in this case).


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thread remains open if anyone wants to discuss what is/isn't delaying.

[Ronin]

Ok since the thread is open for the purpose of discussing, let me go for it, that I have something doesn't quite fit into my mind there.

If a horse archer or other ranged class is running away and shooting then he isn't delaying.
If people take cover so that he can't shoot anyone, he has to dismount and engage in melee. If they don't take cover, he can keep shooting and running until the round is over or everyone dies or he runs out of arrows.
This is the official stance, there is no other interpretation of the rules.

Isn't this rule a bit unfair? I'm not good with horse archery builds, but since archers have very limited skill points; which leaves them with most likely 0 PS and 1 WPF in melee. Also 0 athletics in that case, since it is a horse archer. How can a Horse Archer is expected to dismount and engage in melee? Shouldn't the both sides wait for the flag? And let's say the flag did not appear on map, well shouldn't it be more like the horse archer should fight with a melee weapon on horseback at least? In that case, the other side should stop hiding as well. So wouldn't itl be much more fair treatment that way? The current seems brutal in the horse archer's perspective.

[cmp]

Ok since the thread is open for the purpose of discussing, let me go for it, that I have something doesn't quite fit into my mind there.Isn't this rule a bit unfair? I'm not good with horse archery builds, but since archers have very limited skill points; which leaves them with most likely 0 PS and 1 WPF in melee. Also 0 athletics in that case, since it is a horse archer. How can a Horse Archer is expected to dismount and engage in melee? Shouldn't the both sides wait for the flag? And let's say the flag did not appear on map, well shouldn't it be more like the horse archer should fight with a melee weapon on horseback at least? In that case, the other side should stop hiding as well. So wouldn't itl be much more fair treatment that way? The current seems brutal in the horse archer's perspective.

Unfair? Are you kidding?
The rule is fair to both horse archer and rest of the world because it allows the former to fight without being flagged as delayers, but at the same time it avoids stupid stalemate situations, like doing nothing for minutes waiting for the flag.
And yes, dismounting is not necessary when fighting with a melee weapon, but if people are behind cover most of the time it will be hard to reach them on a horse.

[Ronin]

Unfair? Are you kidding?
The rule is fair to both horse archer and rest of the world because it allows the former to fight without being flagged as delayers, but at the same time it avoids stupid stalemate situations, like doing nothing for minutes waiting for the flag.
And yes, dismounting is not necessary when fighting with a melee weapon, but if people are behind cover most of the time it will be hard to reach them on a horse.

Make it so that no one cowers behind a wall and horse archer can fight on horseback. Not that the horse archer is at adventage with that possibly short one slot one handed weapon on horse back, against his/her opponent with a possibly gigantic sized greatsword. I am surprised someone like you did not even come with much of an argument. Have you guys even know the word "fallacy" or pretend like a politician to use the mass ignorance to your adventage? Explain the reason why this is not fair. What you do is to explain why that rule does exist. Also the phrase you use at the beginning "unfair? are you kidding?" is an offending word; which supposedly boosts your statement's power up while decreasing my reputation. Or at least it is an attempt to to make mine bad, and bless yours. These are called "fallacy" in case you are not familiar with it.

[autobus]

stupid monkey.

[Renay]

Make it so that no one cowers behind a wall and horse archer can fight on horseback.

So, you wanna add to the rules, that people are not allowed to take cover from a horse archer if he is the last one?

[cmp]

Make it so that no one cowers behind a wall and horse archer can fight on horseback. Not that the horse archer is at adventage with that possibly short one slot one handed weapon on horse back, against his/her opponent with a possibly gigantic sized greatsword. I am surprised someone like you did not even come with much of an argument. Have you guys even know the word "fallacy" or pretend like a politician to use the mass ignorance to your adventage? Explain the reason why this is not fair. What you do is to explain why that rule does exist. Also the phrase you use at the beginning "unfair? are you kidding?" is an offending word; which supposedly boosts your statement's power up while decreasing my reputation. Or at least it is an attempt to to make mine bad, and bless yours. These are called "fallacy" in case you are not familiar with it.

You got it all wrong, that statement is not supposed to boost my other's statement power, it's supposed to show my incredulity when I read your post. If you didn't know, before this rule, it was perfectly acceptable for an admin to warn/kick a horse archer for delaying, even if he still had arrows and the chance to fight.
I gave you the hand, you try to take the arm. Nope.

[a_bear_irl]

If people take cover so that he can't shoot anyone, he has to dismount and engage in melee. If they don't take cover, he can keep shooting and running until the round is over or everyone dies or he runs out of arrows.
This is the official stance, there is no other interpretation of the rules.

please make this rule known to all NA admins

[Ronin]

You got it all wrong, that statement is not supposed to boost my other's statement power, it's supposed to show my incredulity when I read your post. If you didn't know, before this rule, it was perfectly acceptable for an admin to warn/kick a horse archer for delaying, even if he still had arrows and the chance to fight.
I gave you the hand, you try to take the arm. Nope.

Ok. Then this shows this was a revolutionary change. But hey! There's always better. When Thomas Moore wrote "the utopia" it was the most ideal utopia mankind have ever dreamed of. But now, it's flaws can be spotted very easily by everyone who has a bit of an idea about the subject.

So I'm offering an even more revolutionary (in my perception) idea. Since it is very unfair that a horse archer have to dismount and engage in melee while it has no melee stats, even lacking a good amount of athletics. While on the other hand, since the other guy can not fight back with a ranged weapon; this makes him a melee class which makes him far more superior in close combat.

Now, what I suggest is; make it so that, when the melee guy hides behind some walls and the horse archer guy can not shoot him. Let them wait for the flag first.
If the flag doesn't appear make it so that, Horse Archer has to use a melee weapon; from horseback (or dismounted if he/she wants). While the melee guy, should not be hiding anymore to make it possible the Horse Archer to use it's horse. This is, I think, is a much more fair treatment. Not saying it is the best, but I personally can not think anything better. Thereby, I suggest it.

And ok. That might be your style of writing. But that is what this statement does normally. Or is where it actually originated from. I see many people use the same style as well, so it is percieved as a natural behavior in here. However I would wish that people would stop using these. So it is actually you gave me the hand, I embraced it and gave my arm. You did not take it. Or I am highly schizophreniac. Or we think we are talking in the same language, but we don't in reality.