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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #120 on: August 12, 2012, 08:27:51 pm »
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btw. earlier i was asking Smooth about if there is really something to be done about the kicks, i realise after reading again, that that question also could have been mistaken refering to the polestager which wasn't my intention. Still good news on the polestagger issue will.
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #121 on: August 12, 2012, 08:31:43 pm »
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btw. earlier i was asking Smooth about if there is really something to be done about the kicks, i realise after reading again, that that question also could have been mistaken refering to the polestager which wasn't my intention. Still good news on the polestagger issue will.

The idea is there to rebalance kicks so you can no longer block, but can turn while kicking.  Not sure if/when it will be implemented, but its been discussed by the devs.  Not a bad change really, as long as turning isn't too good.  I like kicking personally, use it sometimes myself but it feels cheap to pull off or get done to you unless you miss it.  In which case, you can usually block!  A bit dumb but still a very fun ability.
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #122 on: August 12, 2012, 09:02:55 pm »
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i worry about the turning ability... i remember way back when people could turn with kicks and some people didnt really miss their kicks, ever. but i think you could block and turn so it was extra awful.

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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #123 on: August 12, 2012, 09:15:00 pm »
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The idea is there to rebalance kicks so you can no longer block, but can turn while kicking.  Not sure if/when it will be implemented, but its been discussed by the devs.  Not a bad change really, as long as turning isn't too good.  I like kicking personally, use it sometimes myself but it feels cheap to pull off or get done to you unless you miss it.  In which case, you can usually block!  A bit dumb but still a very fun ability.
Sounds like a plan, still i also worry like Mattey about the turning ability, if they make it as difficult like turning and then overheading someone with a onehand weapon ^^ it shouldn't be a problem. If there is an uncertainty factor included like the more you turn, the more unlikely you will be able to hit and also that when you turn into one direction and then switch the direction the uncertainty would increase with a few percentages. I don't know if messing with the timing of the kicks itself would be something beneficial there though. Smooth You said earlier i believe in this thread that after you figured out the timing it was all easy, but imagine if the timing would depend also on other factors which aren't that obivous at first i think people wouldn't use it then at all anymore which also i wouldn't like to see, as the efect of getting skillfully hit is also good for the man who got kicked :) somehow curing him from overconvidence ^^

offtopic, are overheads with other weapon types also that difficult now or only the 1h?
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #124 on: August 13, 2012, 11:04:48 pm »
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #125 on: August 14, 2012, 02:33:52 am »
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #126 on: August 14, 2012, 07:37:00 am »
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #127 on: August 14, 2012, 12:54:33 pm »
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #128 on: August 14, 2012, 07:30:34 pm »
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i do like the concept of chambering kicks, still it feels like missing the point of making it tougher to kick in the first place.
We would need to see how this plays out ingame, but i predict even more kicking ...(if thats a good or bad thing anyone for his own has to see)

To the anticipational thingy, you get kicked in the first place because you didn't anticipate, so this doesn't make a higher risk factor. Still blocking even when missed attacks.
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #129 on: August 15, 2012, 12:02:48 am »
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It makes you able to punish predictable kicks no matter what weapon you wield. That is a big improvement.

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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #130 on: August 15, 2012, 01:00:14 am »
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ehh maybe. right now you can supposedly beat kickers by thrusting if you can predict it!! but its pretty unreliable, so i doubt chambering kicks will be any more reliable.

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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #131 on: August 15, 2012, 02:50:50 am »
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Chamberkicks + general kick nerf? y/y?
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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #132 on: August 15, 2012, 10:14:23 am »
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ehh maybe. right now you can supposedly beat kickers by thrusting if you can predict it!! but its pretty unreliable, so i doubt chambering kicks will be any more reliable.

It makes you able to punish predictable kicks no matter what weapon you wield. That is a big improvement.

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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #133 on: August 15, 2012, 10:58:17 am »
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you say its a big improvement, but even weapons that can thrust still have a brutal time vs kicks... would i have to aim this kick chamber? or could i just hit the button regardless of where im standing if i think im about to get kicked? i guess if it works that way then maybe... otherwise it seems pretty weak.

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Re: increase kick risk
« Reply #134 on: August 15, 2012, 11:37:57 am »
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About kicks and thrusts.

1) Currently it's way easy to use kicks. It took a couple of days for me (last year) to get used to them and kick pretty much everyone but then I've changed my build with more crossbow wpf and less melee wpf so kick didn't give me that big advantage (most of the kicks didn't give me enough time to land a hit with my low wpf and short weapon so my enemies blocked attacks) and I've stopped using them here and there. But still it's a fact that it's easy to get used to kicks.

2) Thrusts can counter kicks sometimes. It is true, but not all weapons have thrusts plus there is not a big window of time you can use a thrust. And this thrust stun... Hearst abuses kicks and thrust stun much more than everyone else. If he misses a kick and I make a thrust, it's more likely that he will block it and I will get hit by swing of his sword while being stunned, that's why I prefer to evade kicks and make side swings from behind. But this works 1/4 of the times and only because I have high athletics.

3) You already can't block while kicking in beta client so the issue is mostly solved.