English Bill and Swiss Halberd needs love.

[El_Infante]

For example:

Swiss Halberd   6285
2 attack directions   
weight 3.25
requirement 12
spd rtng 91
weapon length 162
swing damage 37, cut
thrust damage 28 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield
   
Poleaxe   8036   
weight 3.25
requirement 17
spd rtng 89
weapon length 141
swing damage 40, cut
thrust damage 31 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield

More damage, More pierce, 4 attack directions. Give me one reason to take Swill Halberd instead Poleaxe, from example. Both weapons are hardly underpowered and if someone of you think it's not, lets give a try. And don't say something that giving 4 attacks directions makes it another long voulge because all high-tier weapons (2h, polearms) have at least 3-4 similar weapons. To have a useless weapon, better remove it from the game. I know someone that can kill with clubs, but it don't mean that club is an useful weapon. Look at the game and say how many people play often with this weapons. No one.
   

[[ptx]]

More range, speed?
If you think that swiss halberd and/or english bill is useless... Well... then stick to your poleaxe. Leave these weapons for people that don't find them "useless".

Just the fact that you compare these weapons to poleaxes and such tells all. The only weapons you can compare them to are the other 2 directional polearms - awlpike, long awlpike, pike, ashwood pike.

[Christo]

Well, I use the Swiss Halberd. Problem is that the Elegant etc. Poleaxes are a lot more effective, giving up the two side-swings is just not worth it with such damage. I think that the halberd needs some more pierce, and cut damage. I don't know the Bill though, I don't use it.

[[ptx]]

Honestly, Halberd vs poleaxe? What's next? Pike is underpowered, [insert comparison to Long Espada here]?

[Vexus]

If your going to compare the halberd compare it with the glaive.

Glaive might have less thrust damage, no bonus to shield but has same length, speed and can attack sideways.

[Christo]

Don't overexaggerate it. Well, it's just a longer poleaxe with 2 directions, that's why I compared them. Both has shield bonus, and about the same damage.

[El_Infante]

Ptx, give ONE reason to take Swiss or Bill instead another polearm like Poleaxe, GLB, Glaive, Long Hafted Blade.

[Vexus]

The bill is good as is, it has great length and decent speed for pierce damage.

Maybe expensive but it has an overhead of pierce damage with 174 length.

[[ptx]]

El_Infante, give me ONE reason to take Pike over another polearm, like the Bec.

[Christo]

El_Infante, give me ONE reason to take Pike over another polearm, like the Bec.

Sorry, it wasn't for me, but stopping cavalry, and helping your team by poking into melee-fights.

That's two reasons. 

[[ptx]]

Well, there you go, you just answered El_Infantes question too.

[El_Infante]

Reason?
Pike is a excelent 2nd weapon to dehorse cavguys. You can carry both of them. For example, Bec de Corbin.

Bec de Corbin   7312   
weight 2.8
requirement 14
spd rtng 93
weapon length 120
swing damage 36, pierce
thrust damage 26 pierce
   
This is an example of an OP weapon. 36 swing pierce!!!!! 93 speed!! And 4 attack directions. Do you think not? Go to a duel server with Halberd or Bill and try to fight a Bec. You will be crushed

[Christo]

Well, there you go, you just answered El_Infantes question too.

Yeah, that's how I use my halberd as well, but if someone comes up close, I have to use my poleaxe most of the time, so I have to carry two weapons around. Would be nice *and unrealistic* if I could scare them with the Halberd at CQB situations.

[[ptx]]

Do i REALLY have to explain how various sub-classes within the polearm category work?

Pike, Long awlpike, English bill, Ashwood pike, Awlpike, Swiss Halberd - these are the pike type polearms, that are best in group fights to support others by stabbing at long range. These are not 1v1 spammers (usually, anyway, the last 2 can be used for that, though).

Comparing them to other polearms is generally the same as comparing 1h to 2h. I think the pokers are near OP, certainly not underpowered. What could be done is looking at the INNER balance of the pokers, but i think that is fine too, except for perhaps the ashwood pike, that seems kind of bad to me.

[Casimir]

I'll take the bill over a bec any day.


Bill has vastly superior range and a deceptively fast over head.

For a weapon with that reach and damage the speed is phenomenal, not to mention the fact its pierce and your VERY likely to score a head shot.


Easily one of the best polearms on the market and my personal favorite if playing support inf.