English Bill and Swiss Halberd needs love.

[El_Infante]

I think that this two new polearms, needs a bit of love on next patch. Why?

While all melee weapons in CRPG have four attack directions, this two have only two directions. It is a great disadvantage. It makes that weapons hard to play with it, so I think, EB and SH needs other advantages that make both a good choice to play with it.

Swiss Halberd   6285   
weight 3.25
requirement 12
spd rtng 91
weapon length 162
swing damage 37, cut
thrust damage 28 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield
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English Bill   7589   
weight 4
requirement 14
spd rtng 89
weapon length 174
swing damage 31, pierce
thrust damage 28 pierce
Can't use on horseback

Let's take a look at other polearms. For example Bec de Corbin.
Bec de Corbin   7312   
weight 2.8
requirement 14
spd rtng 93
weapon length 120
swing damage 36, pierce
thrust damage 26 pierce

Why a shorter weapon (Bec) have more damage with 120 weapon length that a bill that have +54 reach? I suppose that the more longer and the more weight weapon have, the more damage have to do. Take a look at weapon weight (EB -> 4, BeC -> 2.8) For example, we have Great Long Bardiche.

Great Long Bardiche   10746   
weight 3.75
requirement 18
spd rtng 88
weapon length 155
swing damage !!!!47!!!!!, cut
thrust damage 18 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield

This weapon have: -20 range. +16 damage (pierce vs cut) and the most important thing. The more base damage weapon have, the more final damage you get with power strike. I have suggestions for both weapons.

English Bill   7589   
weight 4
requirement 14
spd rtng 87
weapon length 174
swing damage 40, pierce
thrust damage 33 pierce
Unbalanced
Can't use on horseback

With 2 points less on speed rating, and 9 additional points on swing damage, it make English Bill a good choice for "support playing".    I welcome all new ideas to improve this weapons.   

Swiss Halberd   6285   
weight 4
requirement 18
spd rtng 89
weapon length 162
swing damage 48 cut
thrust damage 30 pierce
Unbalanced
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield
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[Philosiraptor]

Awlpikes.

[Mithlodir]

It's a balancing thing i believe, just as the Pike is overhand/poke only. With that amount of range/dmg and the piercing dmg part (very important indeed) it would be considered extremely overpowered.

just my two coppers.

Mith

[El_Infante]

Don't forget that Bec de Corbin have 36 Pierce dmg and have 4 directions attack. And it is fast as hell (93 speed). It's only a suggestion. Another suggestion is giving them 4 directions attack lowering speed or range.

Nowadays, EB and SH are useless weapons. You can say "I know someone that rocks with .. ". Ok. I can say after that this man rocks x2 with another weapon like GLA/GLB or Long Hafted Blade.

[DrKronic]

you know what man my alt has a +1 bill and if you know how to use it, it decimates teams if you play massed infantry guy mode(33p, 30p are its attacks for +1), because between the overhead and stab you can direct alot of headshots/hits on armor are good too with pierce

[Laufknoten]

It's a balancing thing i believe, just as the Pike is overhand/poke only.

just my two coppers.

Mith

The Pike is thrust only.

[Vexus]

The Pike is thrust only.

What about overhead? or you think it's there just for decoration?

[Nemeth]

What about overhead? or you think it's there just for decoration?

Mabye he's thinking about new patch. AFAIK pike is gonna lose overhead ^^

[Vexus]

Mabye he's thinking about new patch. AFAIK pike is gonna lose overhead ^^

How come? it will be almost useless with thrust only (I said almost).

[Nemeth]

ptx on irc said it's stupid and unrealistic, thus has to go.

[Vexus]

Lol next patch keeps on getting interesting everyday it passes..

[Laufknoten]

What about overhead? or you think it's there just for decoration?

That's right. If you're still using it, you're doing it wrong.

[Tai Feng]

I tried Bill and Halberd and they don't work for me. Maybe someone else can get them to work, but I do better with Military Fork.

As for Pike losing overhead, agree with everything Ptx supposedly said. Pike is great support weapon but overhead is unrealistic. Moreover, Pike should be one of the most expensive polearm weapons the way it is now.

[Darkkarma]

Swiss Halberd and Bill are fine, honestly. I've loomed the halberd twice already and believe me, it's fucking scary. The face that it's not unbalanced, coupled with the fact that it's got a bonus against shields and has crazy length and power make it pretty powerful as it is.

[Elio]

Ashwood Pike need some love too!

I remember on Mount & Blade SP the Swadian Sergeants with Ashwood Pike were terrifying.
Here this weapon is too slow besides being short.