Gold is worhtless

[Zaren]

its called inflation... its a natural part of all markets. if you want to avoid it put your money into items

[woody]

I think this is at least partly due to more people not retiring.

Uber characters, especially if several from 1 clan, will win more, get higher multi, get more cash and not retire. Therefore less loom points but more gold. Hence - inflation.

Once I've got a mw morningstar I wont retire again, variety would come from alts.

[Elmetiacos]

We are reaching a point now where people who sell loom points and +3 items are now so fabulously rich they have broken the upkeep system. +3 items are going for a million and a half now. Loom points are selling for nearly three quarters of a million. No surprise then, that tin cans are coming back and last night on EU1 we even saw a "The Finn" style plated charger bumper in heavy armour.

[Rumblood]

Just like the real world, gold is worth what people are willing to exchange for it. No more, no less.

Nothing needs fixing. 

[kinngrimm]

Really, this.

This is the only thing I think is flawed with the marketplace. When items are buffed/nerfed, people don't get the same price for these before and after the balance changes. They get the estimated values, taking the current stats into account. Which means if the balance team decides item A has to be nerfed, and this item looses 50k of it's "real" value in the process, then the players that have that item effectively lost 50k, because even if they sell the item, they sell it for 50k less than what they could before the nerf.

agreed.

It would be wrong in my eyes if there would be still the perception of devs that they solved the problem of "nerfs of gear and the users not wanting them anymore", by the former introduction of the marketplace system.
I just don't give away the stuff which was nerved now, in the hope that at some point it gets a little more love again, before i get less for something i invested a shitload of time to get it and then the fu finger of a nerf. (to make my whining complete, me the game abuser and imba gear user has had that on more then 7 items sofar, practicly everything i ever used was nerved at some point hrhr, and the marketsystem didn't help at all in the cases where the nerf happened and the marketsystem was already here)

[Tanken]

If your gold is so worthless why not give it to me? At least then it will be worthwhile.


See what I did there?

[Corwin]

agreed.

It would be wrong in my eyes if there would be still the perception of devs that they solved the problem of "nerfs of gear and the users not wanting them anymore", by the former introduction of the marketplace system.
I just don't give away the stuff which was nerved now, in the hope that at some point it gets a little more love again, before i get less for something i invested a shitload of time to get it and then the fu finger of a nerf. (to make my whining complete, me the game abuser and imba gear user has had that on more then 7 items sofar, practicly everything i ever used was nerved at some point hrhr, and the marketsystem didn't help at all in the cases where the nerf happened and the marketsystem was already here)

Don't tell me you are still keeping MW Side Sword.

[Kafein]

Don't tell me you are still keeping MW Side Sword.

Lulz...


My way of fighting that when it happens is trying to keep playing the stuff I like playing with, but sometimes the nerfs just go too far, like making the nerfed item inferior to an untouched, similar item in every possible stat. I also try to keep away from the EZ mode / too popular items with my main character because those are the ones that get nerfed with the highest degree of certitude. With alts, it's another story.

[Spawny]

I try to play with items few people use as much as possible.

Helps to avoid nerfs, unless it's a blanket nerf.

And besides that, 1 or 2 points less in damage on an item isn't going to make you a worse player. Only in rare cases it will make a difference in the amount of times you need to hit someone before you kill them.
Get the items you like, play with them for fun instead of trying to min-max and profit!

[Fartface]

I try to play with items few people use as much as possible.

Helps to avoid nerfs, unless it's a blanket nerf.

And besides that, 1 or 2 points less in damage on an item isn't going to make you a worse player. Only in rare cases it will make a difference in the amount of times you need to hit someone before you kill them.
Get the items you like, play with them for fun instead of trying to min-max and profit!

This is what i usualy do right now aswel , and if you're items gets nerfed it means it was TO strong and had to made EQUAL to other weapons of it's value.

[Lt_Anders]

i got 18+/- 2 heirlooms

And i only sell 1(+1 of my choice randomly) when i wanna play market speculator(or in otherwords, i buy cheap and resell ;p)
Never sell my own looms those, cause i'm selfish. Looms >gold, especially when my goal is to have every item in my inventory a +3, all 120 of them. It's going to take awhile....

[BlindGuy]

its called inflation... its a natural part of all markets. if you want to avoid it put your money into items

Actualy, its DEVALUATION: the crpg gold is worth less, not the looms more.

Also, much stupidy in this thread: items of equal shop value are NOT equal ingame. The prices are fairly random between weapon types, IE a fairly equal potency weapon from one class is not the same price as another class.


Ultimatly, the ONLY way to stabilize the market, if it was so wished, is to make upkeep an actual factor, not just a joke. Currently if you cannot use what you want whenever you want, you arent doing it right.

[MrShine]

Ultimatly, the ONLY way to stabilize the market, if it was so wished, is to make upkeep an actual factor, not just a joke. Currently if you cannot use what you want whenever you want, you arent doing it right.

...and all that will do is fuck over the small guys.

Think about how much gold you need to repair equipment for a long time... 100-150k will last you a LOOOONNG time and frankly as long as I don't go crazy I could survive with 30k in the bank as long as I watch it.

In the meantime, you need over a million gold to buy a single +3 loom. 

The only way to effect that is to make gold almost impossible to gain, which - you guessed it - screws over new players way more than the established ones.

[Grumbs]

Tax the 1%! Don't make the game more expensive across the board, that will just harm the average/poor player. The people who need the expensive stuff the most or the save money are the newbs and poor people

How about adding storage cost? Add gold sinks based on overall wealth or add vanity items?

[Kivlov]

...and all that will do is fuck over the small guys.

Think about how much gold you need to repair equipment for a long time... 100-150k will last you a LOOOONNG time and frankly as long as I don't go crazy I could survive with 30k in the bank as long as I watch it.

In the meantime, you need over a million gold to buy a single +3 loom. 

The only way to effect that is to make gold almost impossible to gain, which - you guessed it - screws over new players way more than the established ones.

That 100k will only last a mediumish infantry a long time. Cav need more, heavy plate needs more, heavy cav needs exceedingly more. The people that have tons of gold are playing low upkeep builds.