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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #60 on: March 21, 2012, 02:52:46 pm »
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Referring here to social liberalism. Duh.

More wtf...

Btw, in French, liberalism is only about the economy, so socialism and liberalism are opposites. There is no word for saying political and economical freedom at the same time.

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2012, 02:56:31 pm »
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Referring here to social liberalism. Duh.

When you rape everybody by nerfing their stuff you call it balance, but when it comes to balancing the wealth-system you call it social liberalism... Everybody started as a peasant, then some of the people had quite a lot of stuff and now they feel like peasants again. I don't like the marketplace. Earning in crpg when you aren't fighting makes no sense. It's not a business mod I guess.
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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2012, 03:01:19 pm »
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Looms aren't necessary to be effective, they are just nice. This is what happens when we have nice things =D.

That's a huge difference between having additional 10 body armour and not having it. Same rule comes to weapon which is more powerful and faster. Everybody wants to be a hero and good stuff is really helpful. Never underestimate loomed equipment. Some weapons when +3 stop glancing and allow to go hitslashing-mode, when earlier left swing was bumping and didn't allow that.

It also gives some kind of satisfaction when you see that all the shit on you is epic.

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2012, 03:02:50 pm »
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gold is worthless so buy all my straw hats and ill make some more maps

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #64 on: March 21, 2012, 03:05:39 pm »
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Donate me with 500k ,in my quest to take down poophammer!
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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #65 on: March 21, 2012, 03:14:56 pm »
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Referring here to social liberalism. Duh.

Without Nokia to back up Finnish economy, Norway will become even better choice in the future.

In other words, Xant will lose his good looks over time but Siiem will become even more sexier than he's now. Deal with it!

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2012, 03:17:06 pm »
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That will force xant to move to norway and live with siem

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2012, 03:38:15 pm »
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On the long term, prices will fluctuate around the price that is balanced when we take everything into account, including the disadvantages of retirement. This price is probably higher than the current prices, so the best way to "fix" this is not debating about it, it is retiring.
I can't speak for anybody else, but I've stopped retiring because levels 1-26 just aren't fun. Being a peasant almost completely turned me off cRPG the first time I played it.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2012, 03:41:40 pm by Vodner »

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2012, 04:07:24 pm »
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I can't speak for anybody else, but I've stopped retiring because levels 1-26 just aren't fun. Being a peasant almost completely turned me off cRPG the first time I played it.

Well no offense but people like you are the reason heirloom prices are "so high". I don't know whether you buy heirloom points or not, but those that complain about the prices usually are those that buy them, and those are usually the people that stopped retiring, which caused this situation in the first place. Like what, it's the heirloom point sellers fault if the prices are high ? :rolleyes:

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2012, 04:41:34 pm »
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crazier things have happened, but i am here totally with what Poophammer in the beginning and later Okin said sofar.(edit:well not that political stuff, i would keep such a conversation for reallife or at least TS)

The inflation encourages everyone to hoard their stuff. Even if you don't need a particular item its better to put any excess gold into it and taking it off the market, depriving it of someone who may have genuinely needed it. Kind of a bad situation to be in
I hoard "my" stuff, i don't gamble on the marketplace at all, i just want stuff for my own use.

When i use full gear, it takes me around 3 times as long to get 100k gold as before when i was doing generations.
The stuff got more expensive to repair through looming as well ...
And what also has been mentioned the soaking changes. I now use rather often my light gear set, not because of money but because my medium tear armor just doesn't give me the edge anymore then it used to before.(You argued with plate, but it is the same with midtier armor which was ok for my agi built in terms of protection, but with less protection and the high weight which slows me down considerably it just isn't worth using it anymore on most of the maps)


I don't really know for sure but when I see what is the gear people claim they break even with, I can really imagine that there are significant differences between players when it comes to average multi. Especially on low populated servers, one player can repeatedly win matches.
your point being?

I think a big majority of the retirements being done result in the player that retired selecting an item for his char and be done with it. There is little reason to retire, but even if you do, there is still little reason to sell your loompoint. Some people need it for their upkeep, others do that because it's more effective when you want a low priced item.
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My point is, heirloom points are not produced at a sustainable rate at the moment, which results in the prices going up.
why would they ? In my view the marketplace main role is to "get rid" of stuff you don't wanna use anymore, either through nerf or just because you are bored of it. At the time you sell, if you have half a brain, you check the actual prices, get half a decent price, take/need perhaps some more gold for a replacement of what you sold for another piece of gear. Over all, win!

Those who are making money out of it because they just like the meta game and also to get cheap looms instead of investing all the playtime themselves(i got no problem with that) and well ... they do need someone to buy it from wont they?

@Blueknight
the marketplace is a game within the game, why would you take that away from people enjoying playing it?
Even if some dudes would have a 100 loompoints in total in gear, that wouldn't make them the ueber player
There have come along from native, a lot of good players over time and they all rule without loomed gear.
But your suggestion with free monthly reloom of gear would make a great addition to the existing system, not replacing it but making it more versatile.


@Vodner
If like me you had a goal you are aiming for, yes retirments are getting tiresome at times, still being peasent again always gave me perspective and also the chance to develop tactics and sometimes just time to mess around and play less seriously hrhr.

Well no offense but people like you are the reason heirloom prices are "so high". I don't know whether you buy heirloom points or not, but those that complain about the prices usually are those that buy them, and those are usually the people that stopped retiring, which caused this situation in the first place. Like what, it's the heirloom point sellers fault if the prices are high ? :rolleyes:
That is a bit harsh, not like he alone planed it all from the beginning, the evil mastermind to fuckup the loomed prizes.
If at all it is the fault of our god chadz ;) , who is trying to test us till he finds a way to make our life better.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2012, 04:45:33 pm by kinngrimm »
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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #70 on: March 21, 2012, 05:09:08 pm »
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@Blueknight
the marketplace is a game within the game, why would you take that away from people enjoying playing it?
Even if some dudes would have a 100 loompoints in total in gear, that wouldn't make them the ueber player
There have come along from native, a lot of good players over time and they all rule without loomed gear.
But your suggestion with free monthly reloom of gear would make a great addition to the existing system, not replacing it but making it more versatile.


I have never said that people with 20+ looms are overpowered, but their source are just other players.

I know we have 999 great players or more but it's not like they rule without loomed stuff.

You probably know that in my cewl stuff I had great stats like 4 months ago, but without looms it's much harder. Your horse is less maneuverable and slower, your weapon is slower and deals less dmg to people. Also these people have their armours and gloves +3 which means I need to hit them more times to kill them.

I tried as a shielder and as an archer after coming back. as a shielder I need to hit sb from 3 to 6 times to kill him. it's 21/15 with 7PS 7 IF etc. I am abusing left swing a lot to attack the head. In fact all my hits except stabs I am trying to place in the enemies' heads. My weapon is Nordic champion's sword. 32 cut should be enough, but when it's +3 you get 35 which is around 10% more. Also there comes 1 speed point which is very important.

My archer had not enough dmg as well. I was using bodkins, rus bow etc. but I lacked dmg. If I had that loomed I would have another few points of pierce dmg which makes a difference.

All I want to say is that it is painful for new guys who have to fight all the crpg players who are great. While fighting with our elite warriors every single advantage counts.

Also marketplace touched us all. When there was a balance some hell months ago, there was also a moment when we could reassign our loompoints. That was cool but then they introduced marketplace and said: There won't be any reassigning because there is a marketplace so if we wanted to change something we should go and try dealing with other players. Then hittable ground started existing, also longspear lost its overhead etc.

What is important is that marketplace and loompoints reassigning can't exist at the same time. If it existed you could buy loomed shit and unwanted gear and than make it +3. Also there wouldn't be such a need of dealing with other players if you had an option of reassigning your looms.

I know I abuse some words and it doesn't sound sexy but forgive me

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #71 on: March 21, 2012, 05:28:30 pm »
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Hi,
its signed,
i can only approved.

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Also, if they did not brought up the market, i would be swimming in looms now...generation 23 atm, have 3 +3items, sold rest :)

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #72 on: March 21, 2012, 05:53:46 pm »
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what about... some kinda of crpg gold donation system where every 100k - 1mil gets you a chance to win an item or something?

I guess it's kinda similar to buying stuf for 6mil.

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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #73 on: March 21, 2012, 05:57:55 pm »
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The market is great for everybody, and the inflation is not a problem.

For the newbies who are struggling with upkeep costs and scrounging gold to buy the items they want, after one loompoint sold they will have plenty (100k+) leftover gold to cover their equipment/repair expenses AND have enough to still buy a +1 loom on the market if they see something they want. 

The higher inflation goes the more newbies will gain from their sold loompoints and the more trivial upkeep/standard equipment costs will become.


For the wealthier players the market is great because you have THE OPTION (not the requirement) to play the market.  I know that I've benefited substantially from market tradings, and I'm sure that I've benefited others as well who take my looms and either turn them around for more profit, or get an item they were looking for.  In this way loompoint price is insubstantial, because overall market prices will balance themselves out in the end and it's an issue of commodity trading. 

And at the same time for those who don't want to play the market, they don't have to. They simply can continue to loom their items outside of the system, and perhaps pop in to buy an item every now and then.  These are the players who perhaps are most displeased with the inflation in the market because their gold increases more slowly than the average loomprice seems to jump.  However should they decide to enter the market "game" their personal looms will be just as valuable as anything else, and they always have the option to sell a loompoint for some quick cash and invest in some looms.

So no one is getting "hurt" except maybe for those who play the market game and make poor trading decisions that leaves them with less valuable merchandise.  But for the most part everyone wins with the system.  Hell, if anything upkeep is being made trivial the higher loompoint prices go.
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Re: Gold is worhtless
« Reply #74 on: March 21, 2012, 06:01:00 pm »
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there should be complete wipeout of everything
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