IF needs love?

[Xant]

.. Agi stackers die in 1 hit when you have 15-18 str.

[Spawny]

.. Agi stackers die in 1 hit when you have 15-18 str.

Only with 2h weapons and polearms

[Xant]

And good 1h weapons

[Bobthehero]

Eh, tempered long espada eslanova

[Rextard]

What if instead of hp it increased your base armor resistence by 0.5 per point? Then Iron flesh is the characters ability to use their armor more effectively (chalk it up to knowing how to move into and out of hits when wearing armor).

This would maybe be good if the skill was 1 point to every 2 points agility and strength, so to really stack it you would have to be balanced and it couldn't push any 1-stat-stacked builds over the top.

[1slander]

IronFlesh should be a natural armor value, not hp based.  Maybe 2 pts of armor for head, body, legs for every pt of IF.  In the end, a build with 8 IF could run around naked and still have basic light armor of 16 head/body/legs, or just wear light armor also adding its own value making it more of a medium wear. 

This will allow even more viability for say a barbarian build as well.

It also would take away from IF being perceived as only useful when wearing heavy armor - as well as the fact people wearing heavy armor would have even higher armor counts now.

[Ghazan]

I say leave as is.  Strength builds are already too powerful especially with the NA map selections favoring them

[Noble Crassius]

Last I heard the IF bonus was hardcoded into the game and the only way to change it up would be to make every 1 point of IF in the site count as 2 in the servers (so +4 hp for every one instead of 2). I think this was decided to be too much so IF seems doomed to be mostly useless.

Some one came up with an alternative to make IF only able to level up every 6 points of STR and make it the +4hp instead of the +2hp. Would do the same thing as now for less skill points maybe making it a more viable skill?

[Torp]

Some one came up with an alternative to make IF only able to level up every 6 points of STR and make it the +4hp instead of the +2hp. Would do the same thing as now for less skill points maybe making it a more viable skill?

i like this

[Momo]

How about 1,5 IF/point? Or is it impossible?

[Kafein]

Make the additional bonus degressive, like in any damn not-designed-by-a-know-nothing game !!!

And that is true for any skill. The first points should give more than the others, as specializing too much usually means either exploiting a broken features, or being able to avoid the confrontation against your natural counter.

Applying that rule on IF would do, for example :

IF 1 : +5 HP
IF 2 : +4 HP
IF 3 : +3 HP
IF 4 : +3 HP
IF 5 : +2 HP
IF 6 : +2 HP

and everything above gives 1 additionnal HP. Thus investing a few points really is usefull, but the others are only for those who really want to specialize.

And don't get me wrong here : I think dumping points in IF is currently not a good choice.

[NuberT]

Make the additional bonus degressive, like in any damn not-designed-by-a-know-nothing game !!!

And that is true for any skill. The first points should give more than the others, as specializing too much usually means either exploiting a broken features, or being able to avoid the confrontation against your natural counter.

Applying that rule on IF would do, for example :

IF 1 : +5 HP
IF 2 : +4 HP
IF 3 : +3 HP
IF 4 : +3 HP
IF 5 : +2 HP
IF 6 : +2 HP

and everything above gives 1 additionnal HP. Thus investing a few points really is usefull, but the others are only for those who really want to specialize.

And don't get me wrong here : I think dumping points in IF is currently not a good choice.

sry but worst idea, because it favors already op agility builds

@Noble Crassius yeah hardcoded but I think with the tool cmpxchg8b (forgot the name) developed, it might be possible to change it

[Torp]

sry but worst idea, because it favors already op agility builds

@Noble Crassius yeah hardcoded but I think with the tool cmpxchg8b (forgot the name) developed, it might be possible to change it

agi builds arent OP, usually balanced builds top the scoreboard atm.

[Akryn]

So yeah, seen people talk about it.

Do you think ironflesh needs a buff, going to 3hp?

Yes, this would be the optimum changed but if

Last I heard the IF bonus was hardcoded into the game and the only way to change it up would be to make every 1 point of IF in the site count as 2 in the servers (so +4 hp for every one instead of 2). I think this was decided to be too much so IF seems doomed to be mostly useless.

is true, then 

Some one came up with an alternative to make IF only able to level up every 6 points of STR and make it the +4hp instead of the +2hp. Would do the same thing as now for less skill points maybe making it a more viable skill?

would be a suitable atlernative.

[Kafein]

sry but worst idea, because it favors already op agility builds

@Noble Crassius yeah hardcoded but I think with the tool cmpxchg8b (forgot the name) developed, it might be possible to change it

By the way, if that principle only was applicated to Ironflesh, you would be true. The idea is to make every stat having a degressive bonus curve.