Blanket stab nerf needed

[Nemeth]

Ah yes, because being able to deal full (pierce!) damage at point blank is not unbalanced enough.

You can do spinthrust with every weapon. All it does is, that you have to take one more direction into account when blocking. There are weapons that can do full (pierce!) damage with swings, it doesn't have anything to do with anything.

[Memento_Mori]

You should check your sarcasm detector, it appears to be malfunctioning.

I ask you the same thing.

no wait, mine is malfunctioning mah baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

also, the thrust should just be nerfed a little (range), not removed, so it would still ahve better thrust

You could still LOLstab though? I agree that this could help with making the LOLstab less effective  though.

[cmp]

You can do spinthrust with every weapon.

And where exactly did I say that I was talking only about two hander spin-thrust? Oh wait, I didn't.

All it does is, that you have to take one more direction into account when blocking. There are weapons that can do full (pierce!) damage with swings, it doesn't have anything to do with anything.

So you're back to square one: the "l2block" argument. I don't want to repeat myself so I'll just link you my previous post and you can browse the discussion again until you're back here again. Feel free to repeat the cycle, as many times as you want.

[Nemeth]

I'm sorry but you didnt bring any argument, except that it's broken. I would suggest you reread the discussion as well, as you seem to think you've proved me wrong, while you actually didn't prove anything.

[Torp]

Dunno, 52 damage with GLA and bonus against shields would be pretty epic.

german greatswords still get better looms

german:
+2 speed
+5 swing
+4 thrust

GLA:
+1 speed
+6 swing
+3 thrust

[cmp]

I'm sorry but you didnt bring any argument, except that it's broken.

So I didn't bring any argument, but I brought one. Err?

[Memento_Mori]

So you're back to square one: the "l2block" argument. I don't want to repeat myself so I'll just link you my previous post and you can browse the discussion again until you're back here again. Feel free to repeat the cycle, as many times as you want.

CMP you offer no ideas as to how to fix it, but a million reasons as to why it should be fixed. xD

I'm sorry but you didnt bring any argument, except that it's broken.

don't mean to gang up on you lol

So I didn't bring any argument, but I brought one. Err?

Yes, it kinda seems that way lol.
You can still tell us your solutions though

[Nemeth]

So I didn't bring any argument, but I brought one. Err?

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Sorry if I used it wrong though, English is not my native language.

CMP you offer no ideas as to how to fix it, but a million reasons as to why it should be fixed. xD

Actually, he offers one reason...

[cmp]

Sorry if I used it wrong though, English is not my native language.

Right, so the fact that it's broken is not a valid argument.

As they say: "if it's broken, don't fix it".
Oh wait, I don't think it was like that.

[Siiem]

german greatswords still get better looms

german:
+2 speed
+5 swing
+4 thrust

GLA:
+1 speed
+6 swing
+3 thrust

bonus vs shields
infact the GLA even has horse rearing if I'm not mistaken. Why not give it all the advantages the 2h sword has aswell. Heck let's make it usable with shield and no penalty either.

[Nemeth]

Well I agreed with you that it is broken, but you were saying it's imbalance, which I disagree with. Your only counter-argument was, that's it's broken. You see the logic loops there?

[Torp]

bonus vs shields
infact the GLA even has horse rearing if I'm not mistaken. Why not give it all the advantages the 2h sword has aswell. Heck let's make it usable with shield and no penalty either.

i never said the german greatsword is better than the GLA, i simply said that the heirloom bonuses are better (which they are)

[cmp]

Well I agreed with you that it is broken, but you were saying it's imbalance, which I disagree with. Your only counter-argument was, that's it's broken. You see the logic loops there?

Uh, because if something is broken it cannot be balanced properly? In this case it means without making the regular stab completely useless.

[Siiem]

i never said the german greatsword is better than the GLA, i simply said that the heirloom bonuses are better (which they are)

You more then welcome to explain why then just saying (which they are).

[Torp]

german greatswords still get better looms

german:
+2 speed
+5 swing
+4 thrust

GLA:
+1 speed
+6 swing
+3 thrust

i just dont think anyone here would prefer 1 swing dmg over 1 speed +1 thrust (especially not when swing dmg is already that high, it's only 2-3% dmg increase)