Blanket stab nerf needed

[Memento_Mori]

People saying that it's the players fault for not blocking....sorry, but that is a really stupid argument.

The thrust mechanic is absolutely retarded. People thrust and deal full damage with their 5 foot long swords while they are nose to nose with the guy they are trying to hit. Same thing with any stabbing polearms. Once you get passed the guard of someone with a long weapon, the thrust attack shouldn't be viable.  It's not a problem with the animation, it's the weapon hitboxes.

Don't cry about a broken game mechanic though, it's your fault for not blocking.

A broken game mechanic it may be.
But, un blockable? no, so why isn't it your fault for not blocking? when you miss a block how is it not your fault that you get hit no matter what direction the attack is coming at.

I agree though that spinning and thrusting is retarded, silly, and dumb. & I would +1 a good idea to fix it, that wouldn't destroy the thrust ability completely. Although this spin thrust is hilariously stupid, works super effective, and is so awesome at everything. it can still be countered relatively easily the same way you'd counter it if they changed it so that you couldn't spin & thrust, you'd still have to down block, if you don't down block, then you get stabbed/poked/prodded/impaled sorry to say but thats what I get out of it.

[Xant]

So, shall we "make the game more interesting" by completely removing the shield penalty? Or maybe doubling the polearm stun duration. That would make it "more interesting". Don't you agree?

No, it wouldn't. In the first case, shielders would be OP and the only class played. Second case, why? Nothing to do with skill, you can't block stun. Those two examples have nothing to do with spinthrust, which happens to be the only advantage 2h swords have over polearms.

[cmp]

No, it wouldn't. In the first case, shielders would be OP and the only class played. Second case, why? Nothing to do with skill, you can't block stun. Those two examples have nothing to do with spinthrust, which happens to be the only advantage 2h swords have over polearms.

Polearm stun -> stun-lock, not block stun.
That can be blocked, so I guess you're ok with it. On second thought, triple might be better. After all, l2block.

[Nemeth]

So, shall we "make the game more interesting" by completely removing the shield penalty? Or maybe doubling the polearm stun duration. That would make it "more interesting". Don't you agree?

Spinthrust is not imbalanced, the things you're coming up are. Apples and oranges.

[Xant]

It can be blocked, unless you get hit from behind. 2h stab is just a normal stab if you get hit by someone you didn't notice. But hey, if you think polearms are underpowered, I guess that's one way to balance them.

And

spinthrust, which happens to be the only advantage 2h swords have over polearms.

My point still stands. Remove spinthrust and why would anyone use swords instead of, say, GLA? I really think you should try mastering the spinthrust yourself first, you'll notice it's not the destroyer of men and gods it's said to be.

[Memento_Mori]

Polearm stun -> stun-lock, not block stun.
That can be blocked, so I guess you're ok with it. On second thought, triple might be better. After all, l2block.

CMP do you have any constructive ideas that could possibly fix the LOLstab?
so far it seems ...

After all, l2block.

xD
or..
(fail forum quote )
l2balance.

[cmp]

Spinthrust is not imbalanced, the things you're coming up are. Apples and oranges.

That's what you say.

My point still stands. Remove spinthrust and why would anyone use swords instead of, say, GLA? I really think you should try mastering the spinthrust yourself first, you'll notice it's not the destroyer of men and gods it's said to be.

Nope, only the "cool" guys that use 2h specifically because of spin-thrust.

CMP do you have any constructive ideas that could possibly fix the LOLstab?
so far it seems ...xD
or..
(fail forum quote )
l2balance.

You should check your sarcasm detector, it appears to be malfunctioning.

[Xant]

Okay, so what advantages does German greatsword have over the Great Long Axe if the thrust is nerfed? GLA will have better damage, animation and bonus against shields.

[Torp]

Okay, so what advantages does German greatsword have over the Great Long Axe if the thrust is nerfed? GLA will have better damage, animation and bonus against shields.

speed and style.

also, the thrust should just be nerfed a little (range), not removed, so it would still ahve better thrust

[Nemeth]

That's what you say.

Tell me how is it imbalanced then. The only thing you've said so far is that it is broken.

[cmp]

GLA will have better animation

If your definition of better is "shorter" then I suppose you're right.

[Xant]

speed and style.

also, the thrust should just be nerfed a little (range), not removed, so it would still ahve better thrust

GLA's spd rtng is 92, just like the greatsword's.

And nice dodging, compxcompx.

[cmp]

Tell me how is it imbalanced then. The only thing you've said so far is that it is broken.

Ah yes, because being able to deal full (pierce!) damage at point blank is not unbalanced enough.

[Torp]

GLA's spd rtng is 92, just like the greatsword's.

And nice dodging, compxcompx.

lol, didnt check the numbers, srry for that

the greatsword would still ahve a much better stab and it gets better bonuses when heirloomed

[Xant]

lol, didnt check the numbers, srry for that

the greatsword would still ahve a much better stab and it gets better bonuses when heirloomed

Dunno, 52 damage with GLA and bonus against shields would be pretty epic.