Blanket stab nerf needed

[EponiCo]

360 degree spinthrusts are not possible, neither pre-patch or now.

I've seen Cicero do it yesterday, too. Don't know how he did it but you certainly can.

Also, the argument that they hit closer without bouncing is kind of a moot point, as everyone is using spinthrusts to stab you while facehugging you.
As for the hit boxes, I guess I would have to do some testing, but I don't feel like I'm getting stabbed if the stab misses me.

If you dodge it and he turns the flat of the blade into you you are. That's my main gripe with them, apart ofc of the sillyness of surprising newbies and backstabbers alike with a sudden physically impossible 180° turn.
As for bouncing, I think it may be that heirloomed stab weapons can overcome the sweetspot. I don't really know, most point blanc stabs bounce on my light medium armor just fine. It might be also hitbox issue, at least I noticed from lancing and being lanced that you can sometimes kill people that are sidehugging your horse.

[Xant]

It's possible by holding the thrust and spinning before you release it (360 spinthrust)

The sudden 180 turn to surprise backstabbers isn't really physically impossible.. if anything you could do it faster IRL.

[EponiCo]

Ok, your homework:
Make a video of you turning 180° while stabbing a 3m pike forward. Don't forget to cut someone in half with the wooden part when you're at it.

[Diomedes]

360 degree spinthrusts are not possible, neither pre-patch or now.

As stated above, this is untrue.  Lucius, of the Tsardom, does it as well.

[Xant]

Ok, your homework:
Make a video of you turning 180° while stabbing a 3m pike forward. Don't forget to cut someone in half with the wooden part when you're at it.

You're the one claiming it's not possible, the burden of proof is on you. You make the video and show us it can't be done.

[EponiCo]

www.youtube.com

Here, millions of videos that don't show spinthrusts. 
And, eh, no, the burden of proof doesn't lie on the guy who claims it's not possible, it's on those who go against common sense. Now I've never heard that pikemen ran around in an open field alone and pretended they don't see that knight until he is 2m away. If it worked why didn't they do it?

[Xant]

Because they didn't have the ~ key.

[Dreakon_The_Destroyer]

I can garuntee pikes will bounce at point blank range.

i have been face hug stabbed by pikes and spears all the friggen time.

[Bothersome_Aldryk]

Man, realism is so important. Let's change the game based on realism. Ultra buff to horse archers. Ultra buff to plate. Remove the Great Maul. ETC. ETC. Wait a minute, the game is suddenly massively unbalanced. How did this happen?

Sorry, I hate to break it to you, but Reality was the least balanced thing there was. I'd personally rather see a game balanced based on actual GAME BALANCE, not some random decisions as to what is or isn't realistic. If you want to remove the spinthrust, you'll have to massively change the way stabs and thrusts work, because currently most of the weapons turn into crap without them. If you can convince the dev team to do a massive redo of every weapon with a thrust, as well as changing the way the engine works, sure, fine. Go ahead, it'd be an interesting change. Until then, you'll have to live with the lack of 'realism'.

[Gorath]

Sorry, I hate to break it to you, but Reality was the least balanced thing there was.

QFT

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[Nemeth]

Man, realism is so important. Let's change the game based on realism. Ultra buff to horse archers. Ultra buff to plate. Remove the Great Maul. ETC. ETC. Wait a minute, the game is suddenly massively unbalanced. How did this happen?

Sorry, I hate to break it to you, but Reality was the least balanced thing there was. I'd personally rather see a game balanced based on actual GAME BALANCE, not some random decisions as to what is or isn't realistic. If you want to remove the spinthrust, you'll have to massively change the way stabs and thrusts work, because currently most of the weapons turn into crap without them. If you can convince the dev team to do a massive redo of every weapon with a thrust, as well as changing the way the engine works, sure, fine. Go ahead, it'd be an interesting change. Until then, you'll have to live with the lack of 'realism'.

+1

[Banok]

FYI I get hit pointblank even with the fucking 2 meter pike. the fact that people are using pike/awlpike only in duels vs people facehugging just backs up the OP with 100% fact. stabs are fucking stupid right now, to the people who dont know the patch that changed 2h stab animation also changed all stabs even polearms to be "special attacks" as described in OP.

well anyway 80% of replies are about spin thrust, so Im pretty much writing off this thread since people are obviously stupid. I guess I'll just have to play my german greatsword char and abuse it myself until it get nerfed, seems like the only way in crpg D;

[Bothersome_Aldryk]

This is because the SPINTHRUST IS INTEGRAL TO POINTBLANK STABS, you imbecile.

[Banok]

I Lol'd

[Xant]

Wtf Banok. Wtf.