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Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« on: February 23, 2012, 04:52:19 am »
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Has anyone else noticed that 1 handers glance many many times more often then 2 handers.  For example, today I was playing with my main with a master work arabian cav sword 36 cut damage with 7 Power Strike, and I kept glancing off, the last round I played I glanced off 6 times ( including 2 off of Voester's thick head), very frustrating.

Compare this to my alt 2 hander also with 7 Power strike also with 36 damage (longsword) and I never glance with him.  Anyone else noticed this? And anyone else finds this a bit odd?

 
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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 05:01:27 am »
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Has anyone else noticed that 1 handers glance many many times more often then 2 handers.  For example, today I was playing with my main with a master work arabian cav sword 36 cut damage with 7 Power Strike, and I kept glancing off, the last round I played I glanced off 6 times ( including 2 off of Voester's thick head), very frustrating.

Compare this to my alt 2 hander also with 7 Power strike also with 36 damage (longsword) and I never glance with him.  Anyone else noticed this? And anyone else finds this a bit odd?

 
One-handed animations are far picker about their sweet spots than two-handed animations. I can consistently do damage to Voester with 6 PS and 30c side-swings on my long espada, so you should definitely be able to hurt him with the ACS.

Against well armored players, aim for the head, move with the swing (for the speed bonus), and nail your sweet-spots.

If an enemy is using footwork to force glances on your left swing, just aim further to the left of their head, and strafe so that they don't force an early hit.

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 05:02:13 am »
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You might not be used to the animations.  The right swing for example can glance if you don't center your target.

Thrust can be tricky to turn sometimes and can glance if you are too close.

Left swing and overhead basically never glance, and they are head magnets.
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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 05:30:30 am »
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Did you know that left swing aims at the head? I do cause I've been 2 hit by 1h many times.
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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 06:25:46 am »
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You might not be used to the animations.  The right swing for example can glance if you don't center your target.

Thrust can be tricky to turn sometimes and can glance if you are too close.

Left swing and overhead basically never glance, and they are head magnets.

Ironically, one day in duel, I glanced two left swings with 7PS and I think a pierce weapon :|

For me, Polearms glance the most by far, then onehanders glance once in a while if you hit early in the RHS animation or don't turn into stabs, and 2hers I think I only glanced on a couple of stabs [but when I fight them, they do painful glances for shitty stabs as opposed to pure glances].

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 07:42:15 am »
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my GLA with 9 ps glance more often these days :/

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 11:35:15 am »
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It is true that you glance more often with 1h cause you have less damage.
But on the other hand 2H often get stuck while in animations. Friendly and Enemy players
left right and behind of you are a pain as 2H and you dont have as big problems as 1h.

I guess overall its fair. 1h glance more often. 2H and Pole often get stuck while starting the swing.

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 12:22:41 pm »
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It is true that you glance more often with 1h cause you have less damage.
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Naa, with a practice 2h sword and low PS my swings have nearly never glanced off.

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 12:32:08 pm »
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Sweetspots. All there is to it.

90% of the time a glance is caused by hitting to early or too late in the swing. Proper footwork can solve a lot. Allthough having a high damage mw weapon and lot's of PS also helps :P
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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 01:15:25 pm »
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Sweetspots. All there is to it.

90% of the time a glance is caused by hitting to early or too late in the swing. Proper footwork can solve a lot. Allthough having a high damage mw weapon and lot's of PS also helps :P
But why i need a highdamge "haha" 1h weapon, a lot of PS and proper footwork while with 2hand i only need to leftclick and wave my mouse a bit?

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 01:47:41 pm »
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But why i need a highdamge "haha" 1h weapon, a lot of PS and proper footwork while with 2hand i only need to leftclick and wave my mouse a bit?

2her animations activate earlier. I have been hit for half my health when behind a 2her enemy, and if I was exactly at their side, I'd still get hit :|. If they didn't activate as early, I think they'd be able to hit through doors and the like [pretty sure that's why they activate earlier].

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 01:53:45 pm »
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before it was the same against enemy players. (and they still can hit through their teammates).

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 01:54:31 pm »
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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 01:56:57 pm »
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But why i need a highdamge "haha" 1h weapon, a lot of PS and proper footwork while with 2hand i only need to leftclick and wave my mouse a bit?

This.

Or slow down the fuck out of the lightsabers.

The "getting stuck" argument also is invalid. Even though it doesn't make any sense, KAS overheads sometimes get stuck in teammates behind.

Long weapons were barely hit by the earlier active attacks, as clearly they still are the obvious choice, seeing the use data (50% of 2h kills are from DGS).

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Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 04:32:32 pm »
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On the note of 1h having retarded sweet spots for it's weapon length, enjoy the following info:
You'll glance with daggers and shorter 1h more than all the rest, because it makes those tiny sweet spot areas even smaller, while the intrinsically large glance area of the animation is still the same size.
All due to the weapon hitbox originating so far forward form the rest of your character. Y'know, at the end of your arm. That's why you can hilt-slash point blank with 2h side swings but glance with 1h.
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So now you know both ways to mess up 1h! Be out of their short reach, or step in so close you touch them and they glance.

A good player will use that knowledge to make themselves better when using a 1h.
A better player will use that knowledge to make themselves better against all enemy 1h.
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