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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2012, 07:35:48 am »
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Interesting ending. Last portion is very intense and well presented. Ending (at least the one I did), wasn't the best.

Game was fantastic though. Just disappointed in the ending. Looked through all the alternate endings as well to get some idea of the differences and not much changes.

My ending:
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I didn't even see her  :|

Interesting? After all that time the last 5 years you've spent BUILDING the galaxy based on your actions, all they have to offer is some half-assed deus ex machina bullshit that completely NEGATES everything up to that point with essentially "oh well gawd hits the reset button and you have the choice of red, blue, or green lights in the ending footage." Shit's a joke. Bioware blows.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2012, 07:15:04 pm »
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Completed the game yesterday.

I would've forgiven it and Bioware for an almost completely linear endless shooter form they went for to finish the series, the lack of depth in this one, just because i wanted to see how the story ends, what my actions in previous games would do in this one and just because i like the universe , the characters and the " directing/camera work/cheesy epicness " (yes ,mostly even in the 3rd one).

Hell , i would've even forgiven them for the Tali stock picture, Ashley (and i don't like that character anyway) turning into a latex-covered bimbo (yay teenage audience), the ridiculously cheesy Kai Leng uber-ninja-asian assassin character and the additional costumes for some of your teammates that look almost as cheesy with those gay -ass glasses (yay teenage audience v2).

But the ending didn't just ruin the 3rd game. It ruined the whole franchise , the Mass Effect series.


Never again Bioware, never again. You've been given a second chance after Dragon Age 2 and you blew it .

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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #92 on: March 10, 2012, 07:38:58 pm »
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Its just a shooter now. I remember using all my abilities and my squadmates abilities and pausing the game to apply them in Mass Effect 1. Combat used to be intense, tactical and challenging. Now its just a shooter, even as an adept I barely have to use any abilities. I only do it because I love seeing enemies being bounced around with biotic explosions and throw.

Theres always hordes of really weak enemies instead of a small number of challenging opponents in each stage.

Really glad though they took all the tedious stuff out. The decrypting and hacking mini games were just boring. So was the planet scanning.

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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2012, 08:10:08 pm »
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Wasn't snookie in this game or something? Shouldn't that have been a hint right there of where this was pandering?
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2012, 08:32:26 pm »
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Wasn't snookie in this game or something? Shouldn't that have been a hint right there of where this was pandering?
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2012, 08:39:20 pm »
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2012, 09:08:42 pm »
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So the ending is really that bad? I really enjoyed ME1 and ME2 for the story, but from what Bioware has been shitting out lately (DA2, SWTOR) I can only imagine this.

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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2012, 09:14:28 pm »
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It's god awful. Completely stupid and a ruination of the entire series. It gives 0 closure and leaves you with more questions than they actually answered. Lots of people have commented saying that if it's got the bioware message boards united in one cause (to put pressure on bioware to make a proper ending) then they really must have screwed up. As usually they are at each others throats.

There's a poll going with over 10000 votes for a new ending. That's impressive considering it's been less than a week and it's the bioware forum.

When people are theorising that the ending is infact Shepards hallucinations and it's a clever marketing ploy by bioware so they can make another game (or a shit ton of DLC), then it's gotta be bad. And that's no joke, this theory is actually very heavily discussed. Fact is they said over and over that the ending would give full closure to the story, you would have multiple options that would be dependent on both your ME1 and ME2 gameplay and this would be the final one is complete bull. It gives no closure and despite there being 16 (slightly) different endings, all of them end in essentially the same result.

The game itself is fantastic as is the story...the entire trilogy is just ruined by the last 10mins which completely negates everything you have ever done for 3 games and potentially over 120 hours of gameplay.

As shown accurately here:
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Someone put it concisely:
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Mass Effect isn't anything like other games where you're just a player/viewer.

Shepard's story is our story as much as it is Bioware's. These endings comes down to whatever you do, Shepard is screwed, the crew is screwed, and so is the galaxy. Our choices didn't matter.

http://www.ign.com/blogs/goldenadamas/2012/03/09/how-mass-effect-3-free-additional-dlc-endings-can-redeem-the-trilogy/
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #98 on: March 11, 2012, 05:20:03 am »
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Epic spoiler alert so do not go near it if you don't want to know full details. In fact...only open that spoiler if you've finished the game.

BUT...ME3 community managers have been quoted as saying that the community reaction is a result of people not picking up the full details and that we don't have all the facts. Basically if we did, the ending would make sense. Suggesting there's either the possibility of DLC to explain it, or we need to pick up the hints in a replay.

Then someone posted this:
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Now this may seem a bit whacky...but all those little plot holes and issues that made little sense in the ending are picked up and put back together if this is true. It's generating a huge amount of discussion on the bioware forums.

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Basically...if any of this is true it means Bioware are incredibly crafty buggers/the greatest trolls in the history of video gaming. It's a line Bioware have taken many times in the past, subtle hints in the gameplay leading to the greater ending. They could have simply taken it to a new level. Regardless, it means there could be some extensive DLC.

The more and more that comes out of this, the more likely this seems. There are so many hints throughout the game that it's almost laughable. It's something Bioware have ALWAYS done in their games. Subtle hints to the final story that most people don't pick up until later examination.

From Mac Walters...the lead writer:

Mac Walters
Me too. RT "@chrisnavis: @macwalterslives Really looking forward to the future of the Mass Effect franchise after the #ME3 endings."

There's now theorising that they witheld the ending so they could release it after the full release in all regions, in order to stop the true ending being leaked. Basically they want to go out with a bang. Certainly everything currently hints at it.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #99 on: March 11, 2012, 08:26:16 am »
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So basically you're saying that they want everyone to pay another $10 for them to fix their shitty story because they pretty much HAVE TO after the overwhelming backlash they've gotten about it and at the end they can say "we obviously had this planned all a long." In any case, that all that sounds more like ridiculously contrived fanboyism than anything else really. I admit that it's kind of fun to entertain though.

It makes perfect sense that "control" is paragon blue and "destroy" is renegade. That's the entire point. The Illusive Man's solution is the most logically sound in a utilitarian perspective. The end justifies the means. By choosing this, Shepard would be making the ultimate sacrifice to obtain everything he's been fighting for -- he would be sacrificing his life, morality, and honor in order to preserve the current cycle. Life despite its faults. By choosing "destroy," he would instantly be committing genocide and killing friends and allies in the process. It's the exact same with the Salarians and Quarians. Despite them being on the "good" side, it would be completely fitting for them to be "renegade" if they had their way with the Krogans and Geth. The irony of the Illusive Man "being right this entire time," as Shepard puts it, is analogous to pretty much everything the story is about. Even the Reapers have noble intentions (preserving civilizations through harvest so that the universe resets before the population destroys itself and ruins it for future generations -- which is pretty much the exact same story as Final Fantasy X).

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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #100 on: March 11, 2012, 09:23:35 am »
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he would be sacrificing his life
Doesnt he continue to exist in some form in that ending?

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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #101 on: March 11, 2012, 10:33:22 am »
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I suppose you are being sarcastic. I have never ever before seen someone clutching at straws like this. You are simply converting plot holes into a full fletched game studio conspiracy theory.

So I just finished the game, and of course it's not all bad. If it were standalone, with no predecessors to live up to, it would have been ok-ish.

But here is the problem: you can clearly see that it's the last episode of a trilogy. you can see the financial decisions in the background so obviously it hurts.
- complex dialogs. cut down to 2 choices, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- amount of different skills. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- amount of decisions that change the gameplay. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- mini games / side quests. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- decisions affecting the endings. Maybe it's Hey we now make a genious ending to this game. However, we cover it up entirely and let the player dream a shit ending. We can then laugh at all the stupid guys who don't get it. And eventually we release the REAL ENDING for free just to show everyone that they were wrong!
or maybe it was more like
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It's a perfectly rational decision. It's a trilogy, they don't give a fuck if you liked the last one or not. The cash cow has come to an end. Also, I don't think it's bioware to blame here (fully), they are controlled by EA, and EA says cut spendings while keeping income stable. Perfectly rational. Although they probably didn't expect a backfire like this.

(And apart from that, the only ending I can think of that's worse than the current one [whatever color], is the most cliche one: IT WAS ALL A DREAM! WHAT YOU SAW HAD AS MUCH MEANING AS ANY FANFIC! It's completely open what really happened! For all you know, you could be the boy in a school class in london in 2012 that fell asleep durig physics class and made up ME1-ME3 in his head! Just provide a schoolbell sound at the end via 10$ DLC and we're set!)
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #102 on: March 11, 2012, 10:40:19 am »
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I guess I'm about the only one who kinda liked the Monkey Island 2 ending.

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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #103 on: March 11, 2012, 10:43:12 am »
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Doesnt he continue to exist in some form in that ending?

Well I was referring to his life as the life as he knows it now..
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #104 on: March 11, 2012, 11:02:51 am »
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original ending written by the ex lead  writer Drew Karpyshyn.

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/somethingawful-the-plot-of-me3-changed-dramatically-big-big-spoilers.250066288/ .

Reasons for it being substituted are unknown, supposedly the script getting leaked by hackers before the game came out could be one of them.