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Re: archery..
« Reply #930 on: May 10, 2012, 05:05:13 pm »
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If you want it to be more precise: Hoplomachus or Eques is the specific.

Now that I have proven my point, lets get on and think about rebalancing archery.

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Re: archery..
« Reply #931 on: May 10, 2012, 05:16:26 pm »
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If you want it to be more precise: Hoplomachus or Eques is the specific.

Now that I have proven my point, lets get on and think about rebalancing archery.
Wow, great description you've got there. You just called it a horseman, you really needed Latin for that to sound intelligent.

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« Reply #932 on: May 10, 2012, 05:18:36 pm »
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Where you've seen gladiator on a horse? Where you've seen Gladiator as a battle class? Сan you point me a State or period when someone use Gladiators as military force? Please.
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« Reply #933 on: May 10, 2012, 05:28:47 pm »
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Doubt that this guy try to be serious though. At least I cant take his «suggestions» serious. But it's good reinforcements for our exhausted 2Hinfantry team.

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Re: archery..
« Reply #934 on: May 10, 2012, 05:29:11 pm »
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Re: archery..
« Reply #935 on: May 10, 2012, 05:35:06 pm »
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I think this was a severe misunderstanding. Pappus was clearly talking about native archery.
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« Reply #936 on: May 10, 2012, 05:50:35 pm »
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Wow, great description you've got there. You just called it a horseman, you really needed Latin for that to sound intelligent.

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A Hoplomachus (pl. hoplomachi) (Greek: ὁπλομάχος) (hoplon meaning "shield" in Greek) was a type of gladiator in ancient Rome, armed to resemble a Greek hoplite (soldier with heavy armor and helmet, a round shield, a spear and a sword). The hoplomachus would wear a bronze helmet, a manica on his right arm, loincloth (subligaculum), heavy padding on his legs, and a pair of high greaves reaching to mid-thigh. His weapons were the spear and a short sword.

Eques, indeed is a horse in latin, but that is just one meaning. They would open up the gladiator fights on horseback, however you wouldn't know that, because the english wikipedia doesn't contain that information. The German wiki does and I will use the google translator for you, because I am not willing to translate myself.

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The equites opened its struggle with the gladiatorial games. They were with a brimmed helmet with visor, a flat round shield, a lance and a short sword gladius armed. Were in contrast to all other categories of gladiators, who dressed only in a loincloth subligaculum, they wore tunics. They began to fight on horseback, dismounted and then put him away with their swords. In pictorial representations, they are mostly represented in the final phase of the struggle, that is descended from a horse and on foot with swords fighting.

In retrospec you should have remained silent, because it doesn't make you look very 'intelligent' if you argue with nameroots when there is more to the word, especially since Hoplomachus doesn't have anything to do with 'Horse'.

Although I cannot comprehend how it is relevant in NAMING a build, a class so to speak if that perticular type was used in an military army. However bringing up that argument will net you another slap to your face:

There was a gladiator army, not for rome, but against rome. You can even watch a show: Spartacus: Blood and Sand + sequels. In case you didn't know it is a representation of what information we have of that era, and we know, that those gladiators formed an army by giving training to slaves as they received as gladiators. So gladiators train more gladiators until they reach army size.

Of course they also trained archers and such, but their frontline consisted of  gladiators.


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Re: archery..
« Reply #937 on: May 10, 2012, 05:58:53 pm »
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I'm talking about the Eques part. You described the build as either Hoplomachus or Eques, now I have no idea what a Hoplomachus is, werent that you just described it, but Eques just means horseman. Which is a shitty description and the fact that you say it in Latin doesn't make it any smarter. Horse is Equus.

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Re: archery..
« Reply #938 on: May 10, 2012, 06:03:24 pm »
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So cRPG is now set in ancient rome/greece...

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Re: archery..
« Reply #939 on: May 10, 2012, 06:04:40 pm »
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See, back in my day we just called that build a cavalry hybrid.

Stop making up stuff.
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Re: archery..
« Reply #940 on: May 10, 2012, 06:07:24 pm »
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dude, do not try to substitute social status «gladiator» with gladiator's gear. Or you really think that gladiator's army used gladiator's weapons\armors?

And I like wiki citation as arguments, use it more.

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Re: archery..
« Reply #941 on: May 10, 2012, 06:08:05 pm »
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HA seriously needs a buff, try 15/24 even with loomed arrow + tatar its impossile to kill anyone, the strange thing is that you will find most of your kills comes from bump

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Re: archery..
« Reply #942 on: May 10, 2012, 06:09:06 pm »
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Re: archery..
« Reply #943 on: May 10, 2012, 06:10:42 pm »
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I'm talking about the Eques part. You described the build as either Hoplomachus or Eques, now I have no idea what a Hoplomachus is, werent that you just described it, but Eques just means horseman. Which is a shitty description and the fact that you say it in Latin doesn't make it any smarter. Horse is Equus.

Dude what part don't you understand? Eques is a gladiatortype. What meaning does it hold that equus is a horse in latin? You know why I used a latin word ? Because gladiators were named in latin, in rome, latin metropolis.................

Eques might be called eques because he started his fight on horseback or because many of them were former members of the equestrian order (cavalrymen). I don't know that, but your type of argument is still flawed. And if Eques meant archers are overpowered and need to be nerfed in latin - it doesnt matter as it would just be one meaning.

And actually I would still call it gladiator, but I specified to prevent people saying stuff like: ZOMG Gladiator AND HORSES? or ZOMG Gladiator SWORDZZZ only!!!1

Gladiators are commonly referred to as master of many weapon arts, including riding.
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Re: archery..
« Reply #944 on: May 10, 2012, 06:13:47 pm »
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This whole thread is just pointless anyways.

You always have people yelling to nerf archery, it always gets nerfed in major patches (besides the headshot buff, which was entirely not needed and rarely noticeable by the majority of players anyways only the armoured HP stackers), people yell that it was not enough, and the cycle continues... Regardless of anyone's opinions.

Also I am suspecting that the majority of the people here never played any archery in recent times. It is frustrating as all hell.

Archers rarely dominate scoreboards.

They don't need nerfs, they don't need buffs, they just need to be left alone ffs (imo) before someone (like cmp) fucks everything up again.

But yes, do go on discussing this bloated topic and thread like anyone who can change things actually gives a damn, wait patiently, and await another small tweak to archery/nerf while blithering on about a class you have never played.
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