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Re: archery..
« Reply #150 on: February 17, 2012, 01:22:58 pm »
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On low levels (below 20) archers suck extremely hard. They don't have the athletics yet run be able to run away from all melee players. However, above level 20 they have. I think that the way things are now with high level archers being able to one shot anyone with a headshot and someone with 40ish armor with a body shot, is actually fine. That they have extreme accuracy and insane damage is actually fine, as long as they keep their weakness: crap in melee. However, they do not. Due to archers not needing any armor and all they really need is agility (after 15 or 18 STR depending on bow) they can just run away from any situation. That is also what we see in game. Hordes of archers not being killed since they just run away from any melee encounters. I don't really know how we can fix this though. Make all bows weigh 5 times as much as they do now? (it's not realistic, but it will balance things out)

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Re: archery..
« Reply #151 on: February 17, 2012, 01:49:57 pm »
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i can run away with no athletics and 24 agi :shock:

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Re: archery..
« Reply #152 on: February 17, 2012, 01:59:28 pm »
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blackbow, bagge, adalwolf, cupid, and the list goes on...

srsly i am actually playing an archer alt atm, lvl 28 atm, and shit , i can just run run, eazymod melee block myself out of trouble with my wooden stick (ok im probably better at blockin then the average player ) and shoot motherfucker the fuck uppp har har har , im sticking to this , its so fun, pew pew pew

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Re: archery..
« Reply #153 on: February 17, 2012, 02:03:33 pm »
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I just respecced to archer, and I struggle to maintain 1:1 kdr.  I get plenty of hits to assist teamies, but much fewer headshots and kills.  Half my kills come from melee.  I wear light armor (tribal warrior and only 50 hps) and other archers have to 2 or 3 shot me with arrows.  Last night I took 4 arrows from a further distance and lived.  It's not too powerful.

I'm very squishy and dies lots when I'm surprised, double teamed, or overwhelmed by long and powerful weapons.  2 melee hits pretty much always kill me.


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Re: archery..
« Reply #154 on: February 17, 2012, 03:37:49 pm »
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I just respecced to archer, and I struggle to maintain 1:1 kdr.  I get plenty of hits to assist teamies, but much fewer headshots and kills.  Half my kills come from melee.  I wear light armor (tribal warrior and only 50 hps) and other archers have to 2 or 3 shot me with arrows.  Last night I took 4 arrows from a further distance and lived.  It's not too powerful.

I'm very squishy and dies lots when I'm surprised, double teamed, or overwhelmed by long and powerful weapons.  2 melee hits pretty much always kill me.
Kills are not representative for skill with archery. Because your target is not within an arm length of you as it is when you're melee, they can get out of your way much more easily. Still you deal a lot of damage across the entire team, not only against a handful of targets like melee.

On my archer alt I have gotten oneshot and twoshot by archers so far. As a melee I can mostly take 3-5 archery bodyshots with 60 body armour and 64 hp. I have gotten 80% of my hp shot away by a single bodyshot. Archery is very powerful at times.

Not to mention the amount of times it fucks you over in melee when you have your upblock readied for an enemy great long axe, but then just get shot before it hits you.

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Re: archery..
« Reply #155 on: February 17, 2012, 04:23:54 pm »
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Kills are not representative for skill with archery. Because your target is not within an arm length of you as it is when you're melee, they can get out of your way much more easily. Still you deal a lot of damage across the entire team, not only against a handful of targets like melee.

On my archer alt I have gotten oneshot and twoshot by archers so far. As a melee I can mostly take 3-5 archery bodyshots with 60 body armour and 64 hp. I have gotten 80% of my hp shot away by a single bodyshot. Archery is very powerful at times.

Not to mention the amount of times it fucks you over in melee when you have your upblock readied for an enemy great long axe, but then just get shot before it hits you.

Yes an 'unseen' strength of archery (or ranged in general) is their ability to deal damage to multiple targets that is not recognized in the scoreboards.

However something that never seems to be said yet is still very important in practice is this damage doesn't always matter.  In battle someone with 1% hp is just as dangerous as someone with 100% hp, there is no benefit from weakening people other than making them easier to kill later.  If you wound 5 different people but those 5 people end up surviving and your team loses, you effectively made very little difference to the round even if you ended up doing enough 'total' damage to kill one or two people.

It's also important to note that if you hit someone and they go on to get couched by some cav dude later in the round, you again effectively did nothing to contribute, because that person would have died to the couch with or without the arrow in their chest. 

Melee is susceptible to this scenario as well, but not nearly as often because typically when someone is in a melee battle someone is going to emerge the victor having killed the other. 

Just something to take into account.
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Re: archery..
« Reply #156 on: February 17, 2012, 04:55:15 pm »
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Another thread about those pesky 10 athletics, 10 pd and 10 wm archer builds. Damn them all, they're so OP.

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Re: archery..
« Reply #157 on: February 17, 2012, 05:00:30 pm »
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Yes an 'unseen' strength of archery (or ranged in general) is their ability to deal damage to multiple targets that is not recognized in the scoreboards.


No, thats always been the very obvious strengh of ranged. That's why threads about this archer or that archer being OP, look his score! get LOL'ed into the ground: The archers with high KDR are just the ones who run the most, since they are alive at the end of the round to kill all the guys with 1hp left. Doesnt make em good, or deadly, or even a realistic threat untill you are already mortally wounded.
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Re: archery..
« Reply #158 on: February 17, 2012, 05:20:41 pm »
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You need to understand that not all archer deal the same damage. Some are with 10 PD, some with 10 ATH that deal little damage and some people deal insane damage (Bagge, Zero Bot, Tiborur)

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Re: archery..
« Reply #159 on: February 18, 2012, 12:05:39 am »
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Gettin two shotted constantly with 50 bodyarmor, 18 str and 2 if.

TOTALLY TAKES SKILL AND MAKES SENSE.


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Re: archery..
« Reply #160 on: February 18, 2012, 12:12:59 am »
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You need to understand that not all archer deal the same damage. Some are with 10 PD, some with 10 ATH that deal little damage and some people deal insane damage (Bagge, Zero Bot, Tiborur)

Others are poor HA and have a PD of 5, are too poor to afford bodkin arrows and do significantly less damage.  :oops:
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Re: archery..
« Reply #161 on: February 18, 2012, 02:02:09 am »
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I generally think that high level archers are too good, while low level archers are too crap. In melee it's more about blocking, timing, sticking with your team and strategy which evens things out. Archery is like playing WoW, if you have no wpf you can't hit shit no matter how skilled you are.

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Re: archery..
« Reply #162 on: February 18, 2012, 04:56:29 am »
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Gettin two shotted constantly with 50 bodyarmor, 18 str and 2 if.

TOTALLY TAKES SKILL AND MAKES SENSE.

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Re: archery..
« Reply #163 on: February 18, 2012, 10:13:54 am »
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Others are poor HA and have a PD of 5, are too poor to afford bodkin arrows and do significantly less damage.  :oops:

I am gonna be a HA next gen and see how many damage i am going to do  :P

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Re: archery..
« Reply #164 on: February 18, 2012, 10:26:40 am »
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buff cav, solve all problems. Then finally joo poo faced inf will be driven from the field by our thundering hooves!

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