Remove Throwing Lances

[Rumblood]

So this is a complaint about being 1-hit from a cavalry player?

Fine, remove throwing lances, but also remove all speed bonuses applied to weapons while on a horse. Fair is fair. No more 1 hit ninja cavalry.

[Spawny]

1hit1kill with javelins was possible, guess what dmg i got with lances ;)

Ofc, you just don't know if the guy wasn't hit by someone else allready.

[Warcat]

So this is a complaint about being 1-hit from a cavalry player?

Fine, remove throwing lances, but also remove all speed bonuses applied to weapons while on a horse. Fair is fair. No more 1 hit ninja cavalry.

Was made by cav guy, but most of the people whining about them are 2 handers/polearmers that though they were safe when archers were made to shoot foam arrows. Anyone decent at using shields usually gets a free kill alone with a lance thrower. Takes 3-4 to destroy a Huscarl shield.

[Aldwyn]

The lance throwing usually has friends.  And not everyone uses top tier viking shields...

[MrShovelFace]

Hmm, two chances to hit, a monstrous upkeep due to being 10K+ for the base cost, required 7PD. I think I am content with them when compared to the rest of the throwers.

While throwing as a whole should be nerfed a bit, the throwing lances are not that special to be singled out.

I almost never see people spam them due to only having two throws, more often then not they find a large group of enemies or wait up close to chuck it. I would hardly call that luck, and more "Waiting for a good opportunity."

+1 you have changed my thoughts though not entirely. If the model on throwing lances is not changed then it deserves to be removed because atm it just looks like something you would only find in a comic book. And in addition the damage would need to be reduced also like you said.

BUT THE MODEL MUST CHANGE!!!



and to cav players, complaining about your horse being taken down by one fransica is one thing [completely rediculous] but you must remember that due to your unarmored horses you are considered light cavalry and thus are will be at disadvantage against an aware opponent

[Tears of Destiny]

Roman pilum were 5 and a half to seven feet long, depending on if you counted the 60cm shank or not, and the year they were made. Considering at the highest point over 30 legions were using this at the peak, I am content with there being a real-life example of size.

From what I can see, the throwing lances look comparable.

[MrShovelFace]

except throwing lances are symetrical and do not at all look like something that could be thrown easily. Pilium were asymetrical and generally awesome looking. The point where the throwing lance is held (in the middle) means that an excessive amount of it projects in front of the user thus making it look rediculous. Where as depictions of romans show them holding it closer to the head of the pilium

[Tai Feng]

Roman pilum were 5 and a half to seven feet long, depending on if you counted the 60cm shank or not

Except that entire polearm class (and these lances are in secondary mode a polearm) is in this game 2x+ shorter than in real life.

You're ok with throwing lances being as they are? Very well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_%28weapon%29

I'd like a 22 feet long pike.


You may also check spears. Spear in this game looks like a walking stick. Spears in real life were much longer, which was entire point of a spear.

[Tears of Destiny]

Except that entire polearm class (and these lances are in secondary mode a polearm) is in this game 2x+ shorter than in real life.

You're ok with throwing lances being as they are? Very well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_%28weapon%29

I'd like a 22 feet long pike.


You may also check spears. Spear in this game looks like a walking stick. Spears in real life were much longer, which was entire point of a spear.

Yes, I am fully aware of the reach, and I would first like to point out that a 22 foot long pike would be worthless in many maps (Like all the castle maps) when close in fighting is done, so I am ok. If done properly, a pike that long would deal little to no damage against someone next to you. Actually, make it where they are overhand (And make a unique animation for it so it is more of a slight raise then lower) and poke only, no swing, there...

[Spawny]

Been playing around on my thrower again yesterday on EU 5.

I had a 1:1 kd ratio with throwing lances and some guy in the black samurai armour survived a close range hit in the chest. I have 10 PT.

When I swapped to my balanced heavy axes, I jumped to 2:1 or 3:1 kd ratio and finished all but 1 map in the top 3 (even topped it once).

The axes are a lot easier to aim and lead. The only trouble I had was hitting archers 20m away. If he was aware he could wait until I had thrown and then sidestep. No way I could hit him. Happened on several occasions.
If they weren't looking however and I hit them, it was usually a 1 hit kill.

[Poetrydog]

Why nerf them? They are not the major problem with throwing. They are extremely inaccurate

[Seawied]

Why nerf them? They are not the major problem with throwing. They are extremely inaccurate

Agreed. Its just uniformed whine. One of my alts is a thrower. I own throwing lances, but I never use them. There are just so many better choices in throwing than throwing lances in my opinion. I'm getting to the point with my character that I can 1 shot people with jarrids. Why pick a stack of 2 throwing lances when you can use another 1 hit wonder that is more accurate and has a bigger stack? No point whatsoever.

The problem with throwing isn't the high-tier stuff... its the easily accessible and accurate low-tier items.

[Poetrydog]

Agreed. Its just uniformed whine. One of my alts is a thrower. I own throwing lances, but I never use them. There are just so many better choices in throwing than throwing lances in my opinion. I'm getting to the point with my character that I can 1 shot people with jarrids. Why pick a stack of 2 throwing lances when you can use another 1 hit wonder that is more accurate and has a bigger stack? No point whatsoever.

The problem with throwing isn't the high-tier stuff... its the easily accessible and accurate low-tier items.

Exactly! 

[Spawny]

I had a round last night with 4 stacks of lances all breaking at the same time. That's a 4x 500+ repairbill.

Ouch.

Heavy axes are 250 something gold. I've had only a few occasions with someone surviving more than 2 hits.

[Wiegraf_BRD]

keep em.
lower the amount one can carry maybe.