Petition to revert the ranged nerf

[polkafranzi]

After this «ranged damage nerf\buff» I still make many non-lethal headshots with my MW Hornbow and MW tatars arrows. If you have at least 18 str, some IF and helm with 45+ armor there are 70% probability that you'll survive headshot, if you have 27 str, enough IF and loomed helmet - you can easily survive two point blank headshots.

3 IF and +3 Winged Great Helm with 60 armor rating here - haven't survived a headshot since patch, no matter the bow, the arrow or whoever the my old friend who shoots is....so, yeah.

[Fartface]

3 IF and +3 Winged Great Helm with 60 armor rating here - haven't survived a headshot since patch, no matter the bow, the arrow or whoever the my old friend who shoots is....so, yeah.

I usualy survive 1hs with niloskoe helmet, im 15 str 5 if.

[XyNox]

From what I gather only glasses that are suffering from range nerf are xbow, throwing and STR based archers. I mean PD is useless now...getting more then 5-6 for your bow is utterly retarded when you lose accuracy. IMO you need to removed the accuracy penalty per PD...it's not enough we all wear the shittiest of cloth armor and get killed instantly by 2handers and cav. I loomed a longbow hoping for a future buff and all i get is a few points in the bows accuracy....didn't do shit honestly...Best bow in medieval history utterly useless makes no sense.

sorry about double post drunk :S

Even though you were drunk your post makes more sense than the majority of all melee posts here ... buff melee brains please.

[polkafranzi]

I usualy survive 1hs with niloskoe helmet, im 15 str 5 if.

Nice troll

[Black Wind]

I'm cavalry, but I don't like the lack of ranged balance. I want more archers/xbowmen to play, as it's stupid currently.

[Cup1d]

3 IF and +3 Winged Great Helm with 60 armor rating here - haven't survived a headshot since patch, no matter the bow, the arrow or whoever the my old friend who shoots is....so, yeah.

Really?

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This tool show ranged damage at point blank shot.
As you see average damage versus 60 armor is 18 points.

With new headshot multiplier: 18*2.625=47,25

And this is MW hornbow and MW Tatar arrows + 6PD + 163 wpf in archery.


Wanna see how much damage can make to you noob archer with 5PD, 140 wpf in archery, nonloomed tatar bow and non loomed tatar arrows?

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Do not forget, that this is raw damage without new Body-Hands modifier.

So, if it was body hit, you'll receive:
Minimum - 1,34 damage
Average - 6,7 damage
Maximum - 12,73 damage

And even less if it was your hand:
Minimum - 1,07 damage
Average - 5,36 damage
Maximum - 10,18 damage

Ok. Noob archer catch you at spawn and make point blank headshot.
Minimum - 5,25 damage
Average - 27,56 damage
Maximum - 49,87 damage

As you see, you need at least TWO POINT BLANK headshots from average archer. But if archer is extreme unlucky it will take 5-12 headshots to kill you.

So, please, stop weeping crocodile tears about 100% lethal headshots.

[polkafranzi]

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Really?

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This tool show ranged damage at point blank shot.
As you see average damage versus 60 armor is 18 points.

With new headshot multiplier: 18*2.625=47,25

And this is MW hornbow and MW Tatar arrows + 6PD + 163 wpf in archery.


Wanna see how much damage can make to you noob archer with 5PD, 140 wpf in archery, nonloomed tatar bow and non loomed tatar arrows?

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Do not forget, that this is raw damage without new Body-Hands modifier.

So, if it was body hit, you'll receive:
Minimum - 1,34 damage
Average - 6,7 damage
Maximum - 12,73 damage

And even less if it was your hand:
Minimum - 1,07 damage
Average - 5,36 damage
Maximum - 10,18 damage

Ok. Noob archer catch you at spawn and make point blank headshot.
Minimum - 5,25 damage
Average - 27,56 damage
Maximum - 49,87 damage

As you see, you need at least TWO POINT BLANK headshots from average archer. But if archer is extreme unlucky it will take 5-12 headshots to kill you.

So, please, stop weeping crocodile tears about 100% lethal headshots.

Don't have hurt feelings my little archer friend, I was merely telling you my experience, haven't survived a headshot yet.

5-12 headshots, trololo

[_Tak_]

Don't have hurt feelings my little archer friend, I was merely telling you my experience, haven't survived a headshot yet.

5-12 headshots, trololo

The calculator is wrong and is outdated obviously

[Senni__Ti]

This patch actually made me enjoy playing on my archer alt
 

[polkafranzi]

The calculator is wrong and is outdated obviously

Yeh you can't argue with hard facts, Merc Arrowblood headshotted me from full health 2 times just now on eu2.  Maybe he has over 9000 PD?

[Cup1d]

Don't have hurt feelings my little archer friend, I was merely telling you my experience, haven't survived a headshot yet.

5-12 headshots, trololo

And I'm from time to time surviving headshots from low tier bows\arrows with 8 head armor and 55 health. So what?

The calculator is wrong and is outdated obviously

Yes, calculator do not show body-shot penalty (0.67) and hand-shot penalty (0.53)

[Rhombeus]

At first i thought archers got overnerfed. Now i think they are actually at a pretty good spot.

Xbows and Throwing need a buff atm. I wouldn't touch archery ,personally ( flame on).

You must be trolling you used a bow lately

[Knitler]

What you think about the awlpike? Why its always got nerfed?

And don´t say. uhm its too fast. Uhm i cant block in 2 directions ...

[MrShine]

3 IF and +3 Winged Great Helm with 60 armor rating here - haven't survived a headshot since patch, no matter the bow, the arrow or whoever the my old friend who shoots is....so, yeah.

That's funny because I currently have 41 head armor and only 18 str/0 IF, and yesterday I took several different headshots that took about 80% of my hp. I don't know all the stats on the shooters.

Then I was screwing around in rageball with full heavy armor.  With 60 head armor a guy did roughly 35-40% to me per headshot.  Yes health regens but I was watching the rough amount of my life bar that went down.  The guy said he had 15 strength, which I assume means 5 PD.  I should mention in my 65 body armor at the time he literally could never have killed me with arrows unless he got headshots... I would barely take damage and would easily regen it in time before another hit.

So I don't know how much you've been playing... but headshots are certainly not a guaranteed 1-hit kill by any stretch.






I should also mention that the mere fact this poll is ALMOST a 50/50 split is proof alone that the ranged nerf needs to be cut back quite a bit. 

[Dezilagel]

I've survived one headshot so far and that was from a long-range (50 m +) by a HA :p