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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #90 on: February 09, 2012, 03:27:20 am »
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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #91 on: February 09, 2012, 04:14:04 am »
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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #92 on: February 09, 2012, 04:50:39 am »
2h mace was OP for it's price but mostly slot usage. If it was up to me I'd have made it 2 slots, end of story. It needed to be nerfed to the equivalent of 1 slot polearms, the quarter staff and the short spear. I'd say it's still superior to either.

Oh and I have no idea why you ever expected anyone to take this thread seriously.
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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #93 on: February 09, 2012, 03:15:32 pm »
Oberyn...

"OP"  - Please refer to post 1, section:  To Mr. "It's-Too-Good"

Because it was BETTER than equivalent 1 slot polearms?  No way.  Different yes.  But its no where NEAR as fast as the shortened spear.  Talk about easy mode blocking...  And the point is not whether it was better than other low level items.  The point is that it NEVER dominated yet was fun and a mainstay of many a build until the nerf ruined all that.  Instead of buffing some other items to provide useful and FUN options they decided to listen to the whiners and NERF one of the few useful & fun low level items.

Your whole argument revolves around this rediculous argument of OP.  -  Please refer to post 1, section:  To Mr. HerpDerp

Still superior?  -  Please see post 1, section:  To Mr Potato Head

Take ME seriously?  You think I want people to take ME seriously? LOL
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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #94 on: February 09, 2012, 03:17:49 pm »
I get it, you are somewhat... strange in the head...? Right?

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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #95 on: February 09, 2012, 04:31:38 pm »
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actually this picture can be used against you seddrik...

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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #96 on: February 09, 2012, 04:55:04 pm »
If I were to be serious would the Evviiiiiilllll Devs take me seriously? 
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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #97 on: February 09, 2012, 05:43:50 pm »
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Thats fcking satire for you. +1

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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #98 on: February 09, 2012, 06:32:23 pm »
I just realised this thread is now 7 pages long. I never thought it would reach the third one. Someone is very mad.

The question isn't whether the mace "dominates" or not. If it dominated the whole melee field, the situation would be simply horrible. The problem was (and still is, to a lesser degree) that it dominated it's weapon class (that is, 1 slot sidearms, where sidearm means people are not going to invest many, if at all, wpf points in it), undermining all alternatives including 1h, other 1slot 2h and one slot polearms. There isn't such a blatantly better choice when you look at 1h, polearms, horses, shields or throwing weapons... Global balance isn't everything, internal balance matters.

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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #99 on: February 09, 2012, 06:37:54 pm »
Ok, I'll stop posting in the Game Balance forum.  You guys should just remove the Game Balance Discussion Board if you feel that way.  It's fine that you do, just don't give people false hope that their voices mean something or anything will be changed if Devs don't want it.

Edit: I feel like I am making legitimate posts about the 2h mace nerf.  I'm posting in the "2h mace nerf thread" I found.  I don't see why my posts in this thread can't be taken seriously.  I even took the step to make sure I wasn't making a double post.  Please let me know if this is erroneous.  But anyway, we're wasting our breath if it is set in stone as was said above.

No no, don't get me wrong.
Post that are not aimed at being cluttered with images but actually are readable and bring valid arguments are something completely different.

This is just seddrik trying to be funny and using "satire" as an excuse to have a spam thread in this section.
The way he tries to shut down other people's concern about his "satire" is just lame =(
Obviously for threads to be taken serious they need to be readable to the balancing team which i am not part of.
Serious posts will also be moderated so they actually stay readable.

And off it goes! :mrgreen:

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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #100 on: February 09, 2012, 08:07:48 pm »
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This is just seddrik trying to be funny and using "satire" as an excuse to have a spam thread in this section.
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The way he tries to shut down other people's concern about his "satire" is just lame =(
You just dont get it then Meow...  Even though a genuine player like Silver stated it in plain terms.  WHY do people play a game like this?  Evidently not the same reason people operate as admins/devs.  Players are here for fun.  Devs/admins seem to be of the mind that fun isn't as important.  As a case in point...

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The problem was (and still is, to a lesser degree) that it dominated it's weapon class... Global balance isn't everything, internal balance matters.
And that is EXACTLY my point.  The pursuit of some idealic "internal balance" that sacrifices the actual fun of the game is counter productive.  Why?  It robs/diminishes lower players & leveling players of fun weapons; and in this case it has robbed/diminished the game of a series of dedicated and hybrid builds (as illustrated by Silver and others who were like him).  There will always be people crying for nerfs of weapons they hate (because they can't seem to figure out how to counter them EVEN tho it is not that hard).  The solution is not removing or nerfing those weapons because these people can't figure out how to counter them.  If you want MORE options for weapons of that level does it really make sense to remove or diminish the 1 option people enjoyed?

  Do you expect people to enjoy the game MORE under those circumstances and think that the Devs made a wise choice because of "internal balance"?

"Internal balance" is evidently about reducing all weapons to a boring less useful level, and has nothing to do with making or keeping the game fun. Like shortening poles.  Yes they were long... but there were meant to be...  and they weren't THAT hard to counter... herp derp block down and MAYBE up for the longest ones.  But it is WAY better to have challenges and variety (that BTW require intelligence and skill to counter) than mediocrity and boredom.

Not to get us off topic, but WoW made this kind of mistake on a grand scale.  They kept removing the challenge, making everything more and more dull until they lost a huge number of subscribers.  I played that game for a long time, and heard many (of the valid) complaints aimed at the removal, time and again, of differences between the classes and the removal of the difficulty in the dungeons.  Thats what I am saying.  Leave the differences.  Let there be challenges to face down.  It results in some really awesome battles and excitement.  As I said to Silver, when I see him now with a mace... I dont even worry.  Where as before it was.... intense.  I want more of that kind of challenge, not less.


So there.  Stated plainly.  Not that it wasn't clear before.   :wink:

And by this time if all someone can perceive in these posts is that I am "mad"... then bless your heart.  There's not much I could say to someone of that mental / emotional capacity.
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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #101 on: February 09, 2012, 11:21:34 pm »
I am hungry, buff swashbucklers nerf mace.

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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #102 on: February 09, 2012, 11:26:25 pm »
Mace Windu is OP.
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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #103 on: February 09, 2012, 11:27:49 pm »
Not really :o
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Re: "THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).
« Reply #104 on: February 09, 2012, 11:33:23 pm »
What? He's not an old pumpkinface?
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