"THE DEV MENACE" (A Satire On The 2H Mace Nerf).

[Silveredge]

The mace in it's current form is no longer worth the 3 heirloom points, other weapons have too much of an advantage for the trade off that this mace has.  It has stupid short reach and it used to do good damage because of that fact.  Now it has been dropped an entire tier in damage and "hits-to-kill".  What makes it worse is that it's the only 1 slot 2 hander in the game, so I pretty much built my entire character around that weapon.  Quite a few people have followed me down that road, and are facing the fact that they might have to start over because of this nerf.  Using this mace you have to put yourself in harms way just to hit the enemy.  It's not like LUBU's Poleaxe, Tyrian's Danish, or Goretooth's Bec where they can backpedal and hit players from a distance.  I have to block consecutively when going after a backpedaling enemy.  I really shouldn't say this but the worse thing to fight is a person who keeps distance from you.  It almost cancels out the mace if the person knows the reach of it, it's that sad.  It's only a good weapon if people want to go toe to toe with you, so you're not hitting air as they kill you with their 100+ reach.  And it gets nerfed...

[CrazyCracka420]

You guys are biased who use this.  Nobody responded to my post? 

It's THE ONLY 2h weapon that is 1 slot.  It does blunt damage and knockdown.  It's the perfect archer/xbow weapon for not only that reason but also for the fact that you have 2h weapon proficiency so you can drop the 2h mace and pick up a two handed sword and now you have a powerful weapon in your hands.

I personally don't think they should even have a 1 slot 2h'ed weapon, if you're an archer or xbow you're an idiot not to use this weapon.  So you got that going for you. 

[Silveredge]

Actually, correct my if I'm wrong but it was the Dev's themselves who made this weapon a 1 slot.  They were working on and promised a 2h that was 1 slot, so they looked at all the 2h's and picked this one.  If the weapon was fine when they analyzed changing it in the first place, why do they need to suddenly go back and nerf it so drastically when it wasn't the case to begin with so long ago?  This was just after they invented the slots system.

[CrazyCracka420]

I don't think they should make it 2 slots, I think they should stop nerfing everything, universally.  That being said, it doesn't make sense that they have ONLY ONE 2 handed weapon as a 1 slot weapon.  It allows you to have 2h WPF and if you need to you can pick up a very nice 2h'ed weapon and go ape shit. 

I repeat, an archer or xbow who doesn't use this weapon has not properly weighed the pro's and con's of using it.  As a person who was only looking at an archer build but never made one this was the "no duh" choice of weapon I would use. 

[Silveredge]

They were originally going to release more 1 slot weapons to open up variety for players who enjoyed the 2h style.  Thats why you see archers using the Langes Messer that turns into a 2 hander when you hit the alternate button (X by default).  A "very nice 2h weapon" is not that nice when it does cut damage, you don't have a ton of PS, and its crazy slow.  Might as well have a faster 2h sword and aim for the face to do good damage, thats what I do anyway.

[seddrik]

The mace in it's current form is no longer worth the 3 heirloom points, other weapons have too much of an advantage for the trade off that this mace has.  It has stupid short reach and it used to do good damage because of that fact.  Now it has been dropped an entire tier in damage and "hits-to-kill".  What makes it worse is that it's the only 1 slot 2 hander in the game, so I pretty much built my entire character around that weapon.  Quite a few people have followed me down that road, and are facing the fact that they might have to start over because of this nerf.  Using this mace you have to put yourself in harms way just to hit the enemy.  It's not like LUBU's Poleaxe, Tyrian's Danish, or Goretooth's Bec where they can backpedal and hit players from a distance.  I have to block consecutively when going after a backpedaling enemy.  I really shouldn't say this but the worse thing to fight is a person who keeps distance from you.  It almost cancels out the mace if the person knows the reach of it, it's that sad.  It's only a good weapon if people want to go toe to toe with you, so you're not hitting air as they kill you with their 100+ reach.  And it gets nerfed...

And there we have it.  The intelligent testimony of a dedicated hybrid.  An undisputably skilled player, who "built his character around the mace"giving clear and concise explanation of the effects of this nerf.  He can no longer find it sufficiently worthwhile to use it.  He is not a crybaby or a troll, he is the genuine article.  Thus, here we have clear evidence of S.T.U.P.I.D. nerfing of a low level weapon and thereby the destruction of the fun in this game by... yes you guessed it... the Eviiiilllllll Dev!

I think Silver's description is extremely comprehensive.The mace was fast but could easily enough be countered by a longer weapon.  It already had limitations!  To use it you really had to be good to get in close!  But now... it is being set aside.  No more will we all be spell bound, watching the end of a round with toughs like Silver holding off 3-4 guys.  Knowing they are at a disadvantage but knowing there is that chance... that their skill can yet pull it off.  Ahhh.... no more... (sniff)

[Xol!]

Yeah goed is fun, but a bit slow to be real handy.  If it at least had a +1 speed when loomed that would be nice.  But DEVs fear such things...  They have nightmares of embarassing moments getting beat'n down by peasants...

I agree with isatis's point:
BUFF goedendag!  DE-NERF the mace!

As for my writing... venomous humor is memorable & entertaining (even if so many juvenile trolls don't get it).  Speaking of which, I have a spoof to write:


I was hum-drumming along on the server just yesterday.  Borred out of my skull playing my 2H because I had no 2h mace to turn to for fun (sniff).  When low and behold I found reason to be indignant and furious all over again.  I was beaten, shamelessly and cruelly smacked down... by of all things... a "Practice Longsword".   

As I perished brutally under the clubbing I received, I clicked and watched this player proceed to have a 6 kill streak in one round.  Surely, I thought to my most humbled and humiliated self, SURELY this weapon is more deserving of a nerf than the lowly 2h mace.  THIS weapon, the Practice Sword, is WAY longer than the mace.  It is a wopping 117 length!  For a cheap weapon, that is SURELY OP.  AND it is only 1.5 weight and speed 94?  Are you kidding me?  That thing zips around like a hot knife through butter! Not only that but it is ONLY 2 slots???  Come on!!!  It needs to be three slots for sure.  And to top it all off, it is only 239 gold... so that it costs nothing to repair.  Thats thousands less than the mace!  And yet... here was this fully armored guy running around dominating the game with it!?!?!  And, he is PROOF that the Practice Longsword has knockdown!  Everyone he hit got knocked down! (cough)

Please consider Exhibit A, where Sir_Ricardito_stupidnamesalot (upper right side of the list) has 6 kills brutally obtained in one uber round.
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Here is the screenie of his raging mahem while holding the infernal weapon itself:
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


I therefore submit my plea to the higher powers!  If there is any sense of decency within you, you MUST nerf this internally unbalanced weapon. Its stats are unfair compared to other two-handed weapons.  It is longer and lighter, and way more effective than it should be! (Give me a minute... I think I can work up a tear... yes.  Here, I caught it on camera for you.  Isn't that sooo pitiful???)  Who can resist this powerful logic and emotional appeal to nerf this weapon?!?

(click to show/hide)

The following is an interpretation dumbed down for the witless:

1.  That link to the baby.. tell that momma to put the stupid camera down and comfort that poor baby!  lol

2.  No.  I am not REALLY lobbying for a nerf of the practice sword.  No, I am not REALLY mad over getting clubbed.  I thought it was hilarious.

3.  While my argument is a mockery of what people typically argue to support unnecessary nerfs, it is also LACKING in what such typical arguments likewise lack... which is the consideration of whether the weapon was loomed, whether the player had a lvl 30  build or even a lvl 35 str build so that he could 1 hit people, whether the people he hit were already wounded or had lighter gear on, whether they were even paying that much attention, whether he snuck up on them and got luck hits...  It also does not inform us about whether this guy was able to do more than one round of domination.  The next 4-5 rounds he was lucky to get 2-3 more kills............ herp derp.  But you know how it goes, some poor slob gets wacked, sees this guy's one round of glory, and thus rage posts demanding a nerf.

4.  Devs get bombarded daily by these whining, crying juvenile petitioners... and thus cRpg gets traumatized by nerd rage & nermy old friende, and the hand (of course) of the Eviiiiiillllll Dev.


Speaking of the Eviiiiiilllll Dev, I finally was able to video tape the Dev while he was playing golf with his buddies.  If you do not believe me that he is a cruel & malicious character... then just watch this footage:  "Developer Caught In Action".

Heh, that's my old +3 practice longsword!  It's actually quite a good weapon, the length and the speed (and the change to armor a few months ago) make it quite impressive.

That said, I traded it away (obviously), and picked up a +3 mace as my new fun-slot weapon.  It works fairly well with a dedicated 2h build, unfortunately not very good against someone who knows what they're doing, though.

I don't really remember the pre-nerf stats.  I assume it was something like 30 damage, 99 speed (unheirloomed)?  This +3 one I've got is 31 damage and 98 speed.  Perhaps a speed buff on the second heirloom (like most other weapons) would be appropriate.  Hybrids who thought it appropriate to heirloom will still get something close to what they used to have, but it won't be the overwhelming choice for archers/xbows/etc. just looking for a good, cheap backup weapon.

[San]

Make more 1h viable for ranged users. There's plenty of spare 1h weapons just sitting around. Never really minded the mace itself. The problem was that it was pretty much the best choice no matter what. Just give them more options instead of neutering their only one.

Edit: to clarify, (relatively, since 1h usable with shield) on par with what the pre-nerf mace was for them while keeping the pre-nerf mace.

[Siiem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNnqjbojqjE

[seddrik]

Just give them more options instead of neutering their only one.

I am seddrik.  And I approve of this message.  (Link provided for the intellectually challenged.)


As for Siiem... Siiem..... really... I watched that link and thought "Whats this freaky looking guy... 1970s?"  I wikied... and yup.  LOL   I know ur right tho.... not like the Eviiiiiiiilllll Devs will ever restore such a humble weapon as the mace, much less buff some one handers.  But one can dream...   But Siiem, you did make meh laugh.

Well, I guess I will go back to cRpg now.  Though I admit it hasn't been as fun without my mace.  (Click for live recording of me playing cRpg.)

[Akynos]

I played for a long time with a mace. You could almost say that the satiric story is mine...whenevever I wanted to spare money, I went with my good ol mace.But I knew that it was overpowered, I could feel it, and thats why I loved using it when I was still a newbie.hurts a bit to see it nerfed, but hey, lets be tough guys and accept that the game is not ours and we have to make it so that everyone can enjoy it. Its true, sometimes there are rage nerfs going on, but you got to accept the correct nerfs, even if they dont fit what you want. If I want to kill everyone, I go to native,mod a GM to 110 speed and 50b and have fun.So dont be mad, just take it like the price for a multiplayer game.

[seddrik]

(Uses Superior Brittish Tone)  Ahh, mores the pity... admission that my story has rung true.

But Mr. Akynos, I must warn of the dangers of witless replies.  To accept, to tolerate without protest the declaration that the mace was "over powered" is beyond reason.  Such an assertion cannot be accepted on any premise heretofore affirmed by opponents and proponents alike.  And being that this has been most thoroughly addresed in previous posts I shall not belabor the point more.

But passing over this inane argument, your admission of the loss of joy in the game is quite well communicated.  For you have admitted to having to leave the mod altogether to garner the enjoyment you once were able to find within it.

A fine admission indeed.

Therefore I heartilly recommend to the Eviiiiillllll Devs visiting and participating in the following website, whose opening line is very appropriate and applicable.

http://www.admittingfailure.com/

[Gravoth_iii]

I never really had a problem with the Mace, i mean it is really short and didnt hurt that bad. The only thing i hated about it is that people always chose it over good looking onehanders while it looks like crap. But i guess that means it is superior to all the 1h's which is why they chose mace, but then imo the nerf should just have made the mace 2 slot instead.

[seddrik]

I never really had a problem with the Mace, i mean it is really short and didnt hurt that bad.

^^

The only thing i hated about it is that people always chose it over good looking onehanders while it looks like crap.

Certainly, looks are first thing I look for too!  No one really cares about performance!

But i guess that means it is superior to all the 1h's which is why they chose mace, but then imo the nerf should just have made the mace 2 slot instead

It is 1 slot so that a variety of players may have the OPTION of using a 2hander or 1hander or pole with other things (like crossbows or longer pollarms).  The nerf has lessened its use dramatically and ruined some of the more entertaining & fun builds in the game.  Never mind that it was a terribly short weapon and did nto hit that hard....  it was "better than others of its level" so it had to be destroyed.

It should have been left alone.
The best suggestions have been (1) leave it alone & perk some other low level weapons a little bit or (2) at least allow it to be loomed back to its original state. As it is now its like having rocks nerfed.  Rocks are WAY more accurate than other low level throwing items and you have WAY more ammo than others.  And when people loom them.... man have you seen how many headshots people get from them?  Thats just unfair!! (cry cry)  Surely they are OP and internally unbalanced.... (Aren't you thoroughly convinced by these arguments?)

[Fasader]

hey, seddrik:
visitors can't see pics , please register or login