A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America

[Ujin]

Uh uh

I don't give a single fuck about those people, just saying.

Except perhaps those military dudes, but thats because I want to join the army.

But as a future american soldier, you're supposed to care about these people's freedom, liberty and constitutional rights. Cause you're bringing democracy to them. Just saying.

[Xant]

Some people just want to see the WORLD BURN

[Oberyn]

Uh uh

I don't give a single fuck about those people, just saying.

Except perhaps those military dudes, but thats because I want to join the army.

And that's exactly why the army shouldn't have any role whatsoever in nation building. I could call you an ethnocentric racist cunt who believes American lives are worth more than others, but that's a given when looking at your comment. 
Whether you like it or not, your mission in Iraq was to defend those people and basically play the role of exposed, sitting duck police force. A role the army is not suited for in any way. You spend trillions of dollars making a conventional army whose purpose is the application of quick and overwhelming force, bombard them with propaganda about how killing some random "sand friend" in a third world country thousands of miles away is "defending" the US, how killing innocents is a-ok if it could possibly mean one of the Chosen Ones (i.e Americans) doesn't get a splinter in his toe, and then you use them as cops.
It might sound like I'm shooting down the US military a lot, but I'm not, an effective military needs to dehumanize the enemy, there's no way around that. It's the same everywhere, the US aren't particularly more evil than any other nation would be with the same access to power, and less than most. But your leaders tried to shove a square peg in a round hole.

[SixThumbs]

I got myself discharged from the military after being subjected to the ridiculous system for 6 months. It's a chimera of people from all different walks of life who may or may not have good intentions but it's all over-shadowed anyway by some invisible hand using the institution for more or less monetary/power reasons. And, generally the ones in-charge are the ones who were indoctrinated to the point of obsequiousness and loss of self to the "green machine"; the camaraderie is genuine but the bigger picture dwarfed that for me.

[Bobthehero]

And that's exactly why the army shouldn't have any role whatsoever in nation building. I could call you an ethnocentric racist cunt who believes American lives are worth more than others, but that's a given when looking at your comment. 
Whether you like it or not, your mission in Iraq was to defend those people and basically play the role of exposed, sitting duck police force. A role the army is not suited for in any way. You spend trillions of dollars making a conventional army whose purpose is the application of quick and overwhelming force, bombard them with propaganda about how killing some random "sand friend" in a third world country thousands of miles away is "defending" the US, how killing innocents is a-ok if it could possibly mean one of the Chosen Ones (i.e Americans) doesn't get a splinter in his toe, and then you use them as cops.
It might sound like I'm shooting down the US military a lot, but I'm not, an effective military needs to dehumanize the enemy, there's no way around that. It's the same everywhere, the US aren't particularly more evil than any other nation would be with the same access to power, and less than most. But your leaders tried to shove a square peg in a round hole.

But as a future american soldier, you're supposed to care about these people's freedom, liberty and constitutional rights. Cause you're bringing democracy to them. Just saying.

Canadian soldier for both.

And I don't care about them not because of their races, I just... don't care.

[Oberyn]

Canadian soldier for both.

And I don't care about them not because of their races, I just... don't care.

Straight up racist dehumanization isn't openly possible in a multiracial army, but there are other ways... So, knowing what the mission over in Iraq is, why would you ever want to go there? You don't care about them. Do you come from a military family?

[Tears of Destiny]

Straight up racist dehumanization isn't openly possible in a multiracial army, but there are other ways... So, knowing what the mission over in Iraq is, why would you ever want to go there? You don't care about them. Do you come from a military family?

I like how you are arguing with him on a personal choice 

[Oberyn]

I like how you are arguing with him on a personal choice 

Is there any such thing as a choice that isn't personal? Doesn't make it immune to criticism or, god forbid, curiosity.

[Bobthehero]

Well my grandfather was in the army and hated by everyone, my mom and dad were kinda shocked when I told them, but now they're ok with it.

[Kafein]

We want states that have armies. Not armies that have states.

[Leshma]

We want states that have armies. Not armies that have states.

Impossible. It's all about power. Humans are wired that way.

If we ever find some "intelligent" life in outer space, we won't consider it intelligent if it has no desire to completely destroy our race. We are destructive force, pretty much like viruses.

[Oberyn]

Impossible. It's all about power. Humans are wired that way.

If we ever find some "intelligent" life in outer space, we won't consider it intelligent if it has no desire to completely destroy our race. We are destructive force, pretty much like viruses.

Yes, but your ideology is pretty much a meaningless mish mash of flower power hippy bullshit and retarded idealization, with a dash of luddite. Classically schizophrenic, too. Oh I wish we could all live in peace and be happy and stuff, BUT HUMANS SUCK WE ARE HERALDS OF DESTRUCTION WE ARE VIRUSES THEY MUST ALL DIE IT IS THE ONLY WAY.

[B3RS3RK]

Impossible. It's all about power. Humans are wired that way.

If we ever find some "intelligent" life in outer space, we won't consider it intelligent if it has no desire to completely destroy our race. We are destructive force, pretty much like viruses.

Total Bullshit.

You mean if we find a highly developed Alien culture in outer space with Technology 1000times better than ours we will consider them stupid if they dont want to destroy us?

And the Human is not destructive per se.It´s the Cultural influence and the development of habits over the Centurys.

[iron_mat]

I foresaw Newt Gingrich winning South Carolina and the crazy old man Ron Paul finishing behind everyone. Take that silly Ron Paul supporters!

[Leshma]

Yes, but your ideology is pretty much a meaningless mish mash of flower power hippy bullshit and retarded idealization, with a dash of luddite. Classically schizophrenic, too. Oh I wish we could all live in peace and be happy and stuff, BUT HUMANS SUCK WE ARE HERALDS OF DESTRUCTION WE ARE VIRUSES THEY MUST ALL DIE IT IS THE ONLY WAY.

It's not hippy bullshit. Hippies were mostly young people on drugs and therefore couldn't think straight. Many of them, when stopped using drugs and came to their senses, aborted everything they've previously "believed" in...

My ideology is called anarcho pacifism. It's the same ideology which helped Gandhi to free India, same ideology helped Martin Luther King Jr. to free black people in America.

Right now, corporations own the states and control their armies. Therefore common people, no matter how many of us want the real change (not Obama's bullshit), can't do shit against corporations who are too strong and a lot more organized than common people could ever become.

War with them isn't an option, only way to beat them is passive approach.

And humans are destructive force in nature. We did a lot of good for ourselves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev9oPUNaqXE&feature=player_embedded) but from nature's point of view (which includes all other species) we're nothing but trouble.

I believe that we can change that, simply because I've managed to change my point of view over time and so did many (some of them are very important) people in the past. When majority accept that way of thinking, world will become a better place than it is now.

Basically, all you have to do is to think with your own head and you'll realize what's good and what's wrong. If you keep thinking what your ancestors put in your head, you might end being a fool simply because their teaching were wrong.

You mean if we find a highly developed Alien culture in outer space with Technology 1000times better than ours we will consider them stupid if they dont want to destroy us?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what majority would think in such case. At first, we would fear them greatly cause they are more technologically advanced than us, next thing we would try to achieve is to try to understand their tech and get on their level. After that I'm pretty sure that we would either wait (smart move) to progress even further and leave them in the dust and then destroy them. Or we would get into war with them while we're at same level with them (stupid move). Right now, we are like that. But that doesn't mean we can't change someday. After all, we're evolving pretty fast.