3rd Wave of Auto Block Bans hit!

[MrShine]

I request a ban list to be published. We really need it. Only the public shame works a bit with this scum. Ill gladly will donate 20 euros if you publish a list and im sure others will do the same. Im really sick of cheaters in online games. Been playing for more than 12 years online, and never EVER seen a game where cheaters were admited back.
I say 0 Tolerance. You know, who is a cheater will always be a cheater. Its all about morals, a person without morals its likely he wont develop them magically. If any, they should pay for a new Mount and blade cd key. That way at least they help the developers with M&B2 and they arent just worthless scum. PUBLIC BAN LIST NOW i say. By the way, i dont understand why you keep their identities hiden. We, the cheated players deserve to know who cheated us, really. they actually wasted our time, and you know a thing? TIME IS OUR ONLY POSESSION THAT HAS REAL VALUE. The only thing that keeps those from cheating its the detection system, all these "oh oh please forgive me bla bla bla my dog bla bla bla" guys would just cheat again if they were sure 100% they werent going to be caught. I dont like being along with those "characters". Salute.

Give me 20 euros and I'll lurk IRC for a week and give you the names of people coming in making excuses about their autoblock.

ps i'm serious 

[wayyyyyne]

I might stand alone with this opinion but: why is everyone so chocolate chip cookie about autoblockers?

Sure, they cheated, some of them used it for weeks or so but is this really a reason to never ever let them play again?
I know that afterall this is the developers' mod and they could perma ban me with no reason whatsoever, just saying that I for one would give them a 2nd chance. You could still ban those who haven't learned their lesson after they've been caught the first time.
I bet hardly anyone of the players who got banned during this banwave could be considered high tier.
Autoblocking may protect you from getting outfeinted, but that's actually just one possible way to die (although the most conevient).
Outranging, double attacks (whether it be the infamous hiltslash, the "do-a-right-to-left-swing-with-your-generic-greatsword-backpedal-and-stab" or the double attack you're able to deliver with a onerhander's left-to-right swing when you're facehugging your enemy), kickslashing and ganking works just as fine.

Alright, you may drown me in - votes now

[Malaclypse]

Yeah. Autoblocking doesn't make you any better, and doesn't mean you'll fair any better. Back when Native was fresh and alive, it was honestly sometimes hard to find a server that didn't have autoblock turned on by default (though even on autoblock servers you can untick the field in options and manual block). It's not that gamechanging.

[SixThumbs]

Like wayne was saying, autoblock doesn't stop backstabs, gang-bangs and poor range control.

[cmp]

I might stand alone with this opinion but: why is everyone so chocolate chip cookie about autoblockers?

Sure, they cheated, some of them used it for weeks or so but is this really a reason to never ever let them play again?
I know that afterall this is the developers' mod and they could perma ban me with no reason whatsoever, just saying that I for one would give them a 2nd chance. You could still ban those who haven't learned their lesson after they've been caught the first time.

My opinion (from the other thread):

There's nowhere else to ask this but here, sorry for off-topic. Why do auto-blockers ever get  unbanned. In most games if you hack you're out. What's the point of letting them try again? Thousands of people play for months/years without cheating, why do we need cheaters in the community again?

It makes no sense whatsoever to compare a guy who made a stupid mistake, rectified it the same day, and is willing to admit it to a guy who cheated non-stop for 3 months in a row and would continue to do so, were he not banned.

[CrazyCracka420]

I'm 29 and have been playing online games since 1998'ish.  Cheating is a mentality.  Either people are willing to cheat, or they aren't willing to cheat.  That's the bottom line.  You being lenient because they "didn't use it that often, or admit to their mistakes" is not even part of the equation for them.  They got caught, they may or may not cheat again, but they are only sorry for getting caught, it's not going to change their mentality that cheating is okay.

[Xant]

There's a huge difference between someone messing about with a cheat for one reason or the other for a short amount of time and someone using it for weeks on an end to win and get recognition or whatever.

[KaMiKaZe_JoE]

BOY THIS IS IMPORTANT

[Wraist]

I'm 29 and have been playing online games since 1998'ish.  Cheating is a mentality.  Either people are willing to cheat, or they aren't willing to cheat.  That's the bottom line.  You being lenient because they "didn't use it that often, or admit to their mistakes" is not even part of the equation for them.  They got caught, they may or may not cheat again, but they are only sorry for getting caught, it's not going to change their mentality that cheating is okay.

You said that in CS you'd turn on your speed hack if other players did and did not remove it, which makes you no better than the original speed hacker, you also said once a cheater, always a cheater, so should we presume that you're cheating in here as well?

[CrazyCracka420]

You said that in CS you'd turn on your speed hack if other players did and did not remove it, which makes you no better than the original speed hacker, you also said once a cheater, always a cheater, so should we presume that you're cheating in here as well?

I didn't cheat to get any advantage, I wouldn't kill anyone except try to hunt down the speed hacker.  In almost every situation this caused them to stop speed hacking.  This was basically the standard way to get people to stop speed hacking, and once basically everyone had a speed hack on their computer, then nobody speed hacked.

The only reason I did this was because I was tired of one speed hacker ruining the fun for everyone.  I've never cheated at a multiplayer game to gain any advantage over another player.  Never once.  I have cheated many times in single player games, although I try not to because it usually ruins the fun.  But even in Warband SP I've turned cheats on and teleported across the map (but it's much more fun not to cheat, but even then I still use TweakMB which can be considered a cheat).

[cmp]

I'm 29 and have been playing online games since 1998'ish.  Cheating is a mentality.  Either people are willing to cheat, or they aren't willing to cheat.

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[Darkwulf]

I didn't cheat to get any advantage, I wouldn't kill anyone except try to hunt down the speed hacker.  In almost every situation this caused them to stop speed hacking.  This was basically the standard way to get people to stop speed hacking, and once basically everyone had a speed hack on their computer, then nobody speed hacked.

The only reason I did this was because I was tired of one speed hacker ruining the fun for everyone.  I've never cheated at a multiplayer game to gain any advantage over another player.  Never once.  I have cheated many times in single player games, although I try not to because it usually ruins the fun.  But even in Warband SP I've turned cheats on and teleported across the map (but it's much more fun not to cheat, but even then I still use TweakMB which can be considered a cheat).

And how do you feel about my situation.  Trying to bring auto blocker to the light so people can stop it?  Early 2011 when people denied auto blocker even existed.  With the permission of my admin supervisor at the time.  Am I in the same black and white, cheater or non cheater catagory? 

devilize posted

I can vouch for Darkwulf. He was one of my admins and brought it to my light before I shared the details with Cmpx and Gash from ATS (Gash was managing the ATS servers in echo's stead while Echo was away for a time.). I advised Cmpx that my admins and myself would be utilizing the hack in the duel server to study for obvious tells such as the inability to block in any other direction then down while not being attacked (fix came out for this afterwards). Darkwulf is the first person that I know to bring the first publicly available autoblock to light for the NA community - He was an admin for the NA servers - He was using it only to study it to better administer the servers - He was utilizing it to learn and teach other admins while Cmpx was fully aware of the situation. Please reconsider this ban - Thank You.

[Gomer]

Why wouldn't these be permanent bans?  Once a cheater always a cheater.  If it's not auto-block, they'll use a wall-hack/sprites, speed hacks, or aimbot. 

How can Gomer, or anyone else sit there and say they didn't know auto blockers weren't allowed?  Go fuck yourself, cheaters.

Also, can you publish the list of cheaters, so we know who likes to cheat?

In all fairness I did say I have no real excuse. I will admit I knew it was bad but it was before I got into M&B and was long before I came involved in this community. I don't auto block and I am annoying but I have never had any other issues with admins or other players. I don't cheat. I used for 300activation's.... Dude I don't want this label of cheater! IDK how to say it but look through my shoes. I used it once for only 300 activation's and yes I cheated but I am not a cheater. Idk what to say..... Call me a cheater but please don't call my Clan into this. It was long before that and was long before I got really into this mod. I cheated.... I admit it I never said else wise but I cheated as a noob that didn't understand this game or the community all I understood was someone was using this "game enhancer" told me where to get it and I just had to use it..... Just had to try it. I used it and did bad even with it I was in duel server using it and I was accused of using it and got in a conversation about it and I have not used after that. Think what you may....

[CrazyCracka420]

And how do you feel about my situation.  Trying to bring auto blocker to the light so people can stop it?  Early 2011 when people denied auto blocker even existed.  With the permission of my admin supervisor at the time.  Am I in the same black and white, cheater or non cheater catagory? 

devilize posted

I can vouch for Darkwulf. He was one of my admins and brought it to my light before I shared the details with Cmpx and Gash from ATS (Gash was managing the ATS servers in echo's stead while Echo was away for a time.). I advised Cmpx that my admins and myself would be utilizing the hack in the duel server to study for obvious tells such as the inability to block in any other direction then down while not being attacked (fix came out for this afterwards). Darkwulf is the first person that I know to bring the first publicly available autoblock to light for the NA community - He was an admin for the NA servers - He was using it only to study it to better administer the servers - He was utilizing it to learn and teach other admins while Cmpx was fully aware of the situation. Please reconsider this ban - Thank You.

I read about your situation and if that's the truth then of course I think they should show you leniency.  And yes, I can see justifying letting people back in if they admit to cheating and it wasn't something they've been using for 6 months every night.  Trying it once or twice is not the same as constantly using it.  But honestly, if people don't see a problem with cheating, there really is nothing to stop them from trying to find a less detectable cheat.

[Darkwulf]

Yeah it is true, the log shows I used it 26 times I think.  I did a lot of testing different versions and some I couldnt even get to work even tho it still counts as me using it.