Did they change the 2h right swing?

[Kansuke]

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,23434.0.html

55% vs 45% for a shitty one-sided poll guess you have your answer, hiltslashing is still possible but harder stop QQing and go practice. This castor swing was way too easy to do and abused just like polestun is abused by some polearm players.

Keep this change and remove polestun and it will be fine.

[Zaren]

Again im NOT A 2H...

[CrazyCracka420]

1St slavery is hardly the same as a videogame and 2 the majority of people dont want slavery.

It's the same basis for your argument.  "Regardless of reasoning, if a majority want it, it should be done."  That's the worst excuse I've ever heard for convincing someone to do something.

If you want something changed, come up with a good argument for or against it.

[Zaren]

So your saying your reasoning against it is right? Yeah cause ur obviously right.....the way things work is by votes its how officials are elected

[Dezilagel]

Hiltslashing was fine imo.

A slight reduction on 2h stab time I feel though might have been warranted.

Also I kind of have to agree with what Saulcanner said many pages earlier; as player skill increases, so should the mechanics even though I fully agree that a straight-up speed buff might have unwanted consequences.

Also polestagger is still retarded and should be balanced with stats rather than some stupid (imo) mechanic.

[[ptx]]

So your saying your reasoning against it is right? Yeah cause ur obviously right.....the way things work is by votes its how officials are elected

You still don't get what cmp said

[Freland]

Yes, I will. I don't even want the majority, 33% of the cRPG playerbase is enough for me.

You wouldn't even get 33% of the playerbase to vote in a poll if it meant a free loom for everyone...
Well it's your mod mod you can do what you like

[CrazyCracka420]

So your saying your reasoning against it is right? Yeah cause ur obviously right.....the way things work is by votes its how officials are elected

I didn't make an argument for or against it.  I'm just pointing out that your logic of "regardless of reasoning, or if it will help or hurt the cause, if a majority of people want it, it needs to be done" is a retarded argument.

My argument was that a very tiny percentage of C-rpg players, actually post on the forums (as it is with most games).  most of the players never voice their opinion on the forums because they have nothing to complain about, they like the game as it is.  My argument is that dev's should stop nerfing and buffing equipment.  Unless something is SOOO overpowered, then take action.  But nothing has ever been so overpowered in c-rpg that it needed to be nerfed.  Everything has a natural counter to it's strengths. 

Freland, they have this nifty thing now called the "launcher" for c-rpg, which means they could easily attach a message to it saying they want all players to go "this website and vote in a poll, if you vote you get a free heirloom".  I guarantee 70% or more of the playerbase would do it.

[San]

Return 2h hiltslash but give 1h hiltslash, too. It's only fair and would only increase depth.. Right?


Joking aside, 2h still has a whole lot of other tricks. I didn't mind hiltslash other than the fact that it purely defied what I should expect based on animations and positioning. It's just that you have to know about it beforehand. It would help newer players unaware of hiltslashes if there were more correct visual cues so the player knows that his swing will lose out.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Yes, I will. I don't even want the majority, 33% of the cRPG playerbase is enough for me.

You mean active playerbase? Ok lets make a poll, now all we need is some 2000 votes in favour.

[SixThumbs]

Not even 100 votes and I don't participate in polls, haha.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

Either way if people say to change it back it should be changed.... And im not even a 2h

Hey cool, let me get lots of people for drawspeed buff for longbow, higher accuracy for all bows, bringing back the damage arrows did a couple of weeks/ months ago and oh not to forget jumpshooting 



If Cmp is serious about that, which I highly doubt, I ask myself why twohanders get their will by whining and complaining, whereas other classes don't :/
I can't remember such a thing to have happened and I doubt it will.
Would actually be totally ridiculous to reverse something, just because the nerfed class whines^^

[Zisa]

Hey cool, let me get lots of people for drawspeed buff for longbow, higher accuracy for all bows, bringing back the damage arrows did a couple of weeks/ months ago and oh not to forget jumpshooting 



If Cmp is serious about that, which I highly doubt, I ask myself why twohanders get their will by whining and complaining, whereas other classes don't :/
I can't remember such a thing to have happened and I doubt it will.
Would actually be totally ridiculous to reverse something, just because the nerfed class whines^^

Since people still can and do hilt slash, which was the alleged problem, keeping a patch that does fuck all except nerf many things not intended is the penultimate in retardation.

[Xant]

"Hiltslash" was never unblockable. One just had to anticipate it, which wasn't that difficult because a player preparing a "hiltslash" had to move/behave in a certain way. It was a bit like instastabs in Native which could be blocked and punished with anticipation too. That's from a low ping perspective though. For high pingers this change might be good.

Nah, I could block hiltslashes on NA duel. In fact, they were the EASIEST to block because you get so much time to set up the right block since you can anticipate what they'll do. Ping isn't an issue there.

[Tydeus]

Nah, I could block hiltslashes on NA duel. In fact, they were the EASIEST to block because you get so much time to set up the right block since you can anticipate what they'll do. Ping isn't an issue there.

Indeed, we had a one to two minute duel where he had ~130 ping and he blocked every one of the hilt slashes I threw at him after getting frustrated at how much he was blocking me. He ended up winning that duel as well. This is one of the reasons why I can't decide whether or not to agree with the right swing slowdown. Surely if one can consistently block it at 130 ping, it should be significantly easier with just 50.