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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2012, 08:55:35 pm »
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Well they want everyone to stay with team mates an encourage cluster fucks/gangbangrape thought that would be the only obvious reason why they keep slowing down the game.
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2012, 09:00:09 pm »
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Nerfing 2h is good, it still overwhelmingly the most popular class.  Will take some time to get used to the slower speed, but further nerfing it will stop idiots from complaining and sayings its the easiest class ever (often while they reload their arbalest, swing their mace or ride around on their courser with heavy lance or gla)
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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2012, 09:02:32 pm »
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I find myself playing more and more native lately. It kind of brings me more fun for 2 reasons:


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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2012, 09:05:50 pm »
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Shit needs to go back to how it was. No problems were there. Learn to block get better

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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2012, 09:08:44 pm »
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People need to play on their alts more, so they don't get attached to one play-style and panic when slight alterations are made to weapons in a particular wpf category as if they are unable to use other weapons. The weapon categories do not have to be equal in power, nor do all the weapons within a category have to fulfill the same role.

A dev has stated in this thread that the speed reduction is not a recent change.

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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2012, 09:09:11 pm »
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Shit needs to go back to how it was. No problems were there. Learn to block get better
Back before the eariler active attacks were implemented imo. And start over from that point.

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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2012, 09:09:53 pm »
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Instead of reducing swing speed, which makes blocking easier, why not increase swingspeed across the board? This would make blocking harder, and add more room for individual player skill.

"increase swing speed across the board to increase individual player skill" is just a hackneyed phrase with no balance thought behind it. The proper way to start thinking about increasing overall speed involves proficiency curve and individual weapon stat changes, and possibly more.

The thing is, I disagree with an across the board speed increase. Coincidentally, most of the people complaining about the slowness are 2h/polearm duelists, just like most of the players complaining about the lance rotation lock are cavalry and just like most of the players complaining about reduced arrow velocity are archers. Now reverse the situation and try asking an archer what he thinks about 2h/polearm speed, a cavalryman about reduced arrow velocity, and an infantryman about lance rotation lock.

cynic tl;dr: egoist whiners gonna whine
« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 09:11:14 pm by cmpxchg8b »

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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2012, 09:15:37 pm »
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I think the lance rotation lock is stupid, im no fucking lancer.

Speed reduction is fine, but people are always against change, hence they always whine. human nature.
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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2012, 09:22:11 pm »
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I play cav for last 5 generations, i am starting to finally get hang on it, and i find the angle OKay, i still get some kills even while head on charge, so no problem there :)

And if slower weapons, that might explain my increased block success rate  :mrgreen: But anyways, i find it more fun to try to outmaneuver or outsmart opponent in slow paced combat rather than spamming him to death (even tho i tend to spam when i am panicked, and it sometimes saves my ass)

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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2012, 09:24:26 pm »
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Got no problems with slower speed. But why not reduce the original speed of the weapon instead of the right swing only? The animation looks fucking stupid and is very annoying tbh.

Oh well, lots of fun running around 1 hitting people with polearms anyways.
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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2012, 09:24:50 pm »
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Well the dev's make a lot of rage worthy nerfs.  Most of the nerfs have been rage worthy.  Nothing in the game is so overpowered that there isn't a reasonable counter to it.  I like the gameplay changes to balance the game out (like changing the lance radius from horseback), but constantly tweaking the weapons and equipment to different stats makes it hard for people to plan a build (and then they waste money when the equipment they deemed "the best" for them, is suddenly changed). 

I agree, but then again cant you see how the rabid complaining about every little thing that doesn't fall in with how someone thinks, (and I use the word lightly), the game should be.

Most of this boils down to "this killed me, clearly im more skilled than the person who killed me, so the equipment he uses must be too easy" "Oh well lets go to the forum and BAWWW about it"

"Oh wait others agree, well clearly there is a problem then."

Forgetting, in his/her moment of crowd support triumph, that there are far more lazy people who would rather the game were adapted to them, than there are those who will actually go out of their way to come up with a solution and adapt themselves.

It's a dangerously never ending pattern of self destruction that afflicts many games and mods across the board.
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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2012, 09:27:22 pm »
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I've played every class except crossbowman.
Killed many a valiant fighter with a throwing axe to face.
Shield turtled Rhade while he was riddled with arrows.
Lanced many from horseback.
Swashbuckled through archers.
Crushed shielders with an elegant poleaxe.

And 2h is the most rewarding.

I hate the lance nerf. It breeds 1hand bump cav, and you have now gimped my anti-1hand cav build.
Good job giving them the advantage back, I know, they were terrified of that flamberge - couldn't have that!
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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2012, 09:29:06 pm »
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I think the lance rotation lock is stupid, im no fucking lancer.

I agree. Before I used to switch to lancer after retirement. After they changed that I've tried lancer and that was the only time I've respeced before I hit 31.

It takes all the fun from lancing and makes it stat dependent (better and faster horse is the only thing that matters now).


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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2012, 09:30:00 pm »
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Got no problems with slower speed. But why not reduce the original speed of the weapon instead of the right swing only? The animation looks fucking stupid and is very annoying tbh.

Because it's purpose is to make hiltslashing harder, not to slow down a specific weapon.

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Re: Did they change the 2h right swing?
« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2012, 09:33:12 pm »
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I think you need to nerf every other swing direction of 2h to balance it out.