inf, do you want cav support in a clusterfuck situation?

[Inkompetent]

I do like cav support. But NOT with lances!

Cav riding in to 'support' with a couched lance, or just a slow thrust , is highly likely to hit me in the head due to the duracell-rabbit-happy-dreamland-speed of melee combat movement.

One-hander cav is highly welcome to support me in melee though, since they have more precise attacks. Lance-cav better stick to try to bump/horse-charge the enemy infantry in those situations.

[Glyph]

personally, i try to bump and attack the enemy, and aalot of times i bump the enemy and semi-bump my teamate, but then my teammate still has an advantage of hitting the guy once. and it is risky, but even a minor stab from behind can make a gap for your teammate, so i ussually try to help my teammate.

[Everkistus]

I'm with Torben, I'll also try to honor this after the voting is over. I usually try to just bump the enemies so my allies can get a free hit in there. If I'm sure I won't hit the teammate I'll also put a swing of my morningstar in the clusterfuck. But still, accidents do happen sometimes

[Ujin]

What's the difference from getting slashed by an inf. teammate trying to gank the enemy with you (he can be a good player too), getting shot by a friendly archer trying to help/being greedy, or getting teamlanced/teambumped by a friendly cav ? It's all the same to me and it happens , i don't see how cavalry is any different here except for people think somehow it should be + it generates more hatred and rage.

[Tor!]

It's all fine, as long as the cav let me know its there first and just don't simply trample in.

If you know you have backup it's can be very useful. You can step back, give the cav space to do the bumps and whatever.. But you have to be aware that there is cav there with the intent to help out. Because I have a short sword I very often get involved in circling enemy players in stead of backpeddling, specially shielders..

If the cav has a good understanding of the situation and options of the infantry player, his speed and way of fighting, let his presence be known in a safe way, then it is of course very helpful..

Nothing is as frustrating as to be bumped by friendly cav in the wrong moment though.

Pretty much what Thomek said. I always prefer to fight alone against blobs though, but when shit is about to hit the fan, a good cav player can be helpful 

[Herkkutatti]

normally when cav helps me its teambumb or teamhit.

[Kafein]

If you know you have backup it's can be very useful. You can step back, give the cav space to do the bumps and whatever.. But you have to be aware that there is cav there with the intent to help out. Because I have a short sword I very often get involved in circling enemy players in stead of backpeddling, specially shielders..

This is the core of the problem.

As an inf player, I'm always on the lookout for friendly cav because they sure can help me. When I see one, I take a few steps back to let him kill/bump my enemy. As a cav, when I see someone circling around enemies, I just go and seek something else to do. Tornado fighters don't want help from cav. I would even say they don't want help at all since helping one of those circling fairies is also difficult as inf or ranged.


The best way to avoid being trampled by friendly cav/shot by ally ranged/hit by inf dudes is to stop the

duracell-rabbit-happy-dreamland-speed

madness.

Cav are trucks. Even +3 arab warhorse users. They can't avoid a collision if you throw yourself under the horse at the last moment. They also have to time their weapon release very early (especially lancers). If you have unpredictable movement, you will die to friendly cav more often. Try to give us some space when you see us. You'll get free bumped enemies.

[Sojetsu]

depends on cav skill.

if he can do something without hitting you - why not?

[ShinySpoons]

As both a cav and inf player I find one of the best benefits of cav support in a clusterfuck to be the fact that the cav is there. Just having the cav circling around is enough to distract one or two gangbangers. And if they don't defend themselves from me,  I just hit/bump somebody. The worse problem is going high speed into a clusterfuck. If the cav player is going slow they'll be able to time it right. Otherwise, they're just adding to the general clusterfuck.

[Dezilagel]

What's the difference from getting slashed by an inf. teammate trying to gank the enemy with you (he can be a good player too), getting shot by a friendly archer trying to help/being greedy, or getting teamlanced/teambumped by a friendly cav ? It's all the same to me and it happens , i don't see how cavalry is any different here except for people think somehow it should be + it generates more hatred and rage.

Because cav and archer more then often gets you outright killed (arrows due to stunstagger and being unexpected, cav due to bump and outright damage). Their tk:s also generally feel more stupid since they're not in the thick of the chaotic melee but rather from a distance decide to "go for it".

@ OP, I prefer no cav support from most players. The most effective type in my opinion is just when they *hover around* and kill any enemy caught out from the main battle blob.

Of course there are exceptions such as when you're surrounded by 6+ enemies or something (the exceptions to the exception are teXas and Maganda, you two ALWAYS gtfo my melee), but in general I prefer little to no cav support.

Oh, and archers trying to *help* should just gtfo in all situations tbh. Shoot the thrower a bit further away, shoot the cav that's going to backrape me, it's much appreciated. But for the mother of baconaise DON'T SHHOT INTO THE BLOODY MELEE! I've lost count to how many times I've died to some stupid archer trying to farm kills or whatever from my melee blob.

[BADPLAYERold]

I only try to help the teammate if I know the teammate isn't very good in melee, I don't try to help anyone who can deal with the situation themself.

[Riddaren]

The answer to this question is very simple:

depends on cav skill.

If he can do something without hitting you - why not?

Depends on skill and situation. Helping 1 ally vs 3 enemies is usually very easy for a cavalry player.

What I find hardest as a lancer is to give help in 1v1 sitations. How hard it is depends on my teamate rather than the enemy.
If my teamate is fighting close to the enemy and moving around alot I usually just let him have his "duel" and ride away.
If he wants my help he will get it and I rarely fail to give help.

If I know that the player dueling is a good one, I usually just ride away instantly to give help somewhere else.

[Teeth]

Torben, you can support me anytime in a clusterfuck. You are a good, considerate, cavalry player, who will really do his best to not fuck up his teammates. There are others who I'd rather not have support me, but they would do it anyway, because they are morons.

Chase for example. He does well as a cav, but is horrible around teammates. It has happened repeadetly that he tried to kill an enemy, but bumped me or stabbed me in the face. I wish I had footage of that one time. Horrible!

[Turkhammer]

How about the infantry in a cluster positions himself to give his cav team mate a chance at the opponents back?  Too many times I've seen the inf dancing around in a circle, making things tough for his cav help.
Excellent post Riddaren

[Tennenoth]

It depends completely on the cavalry man, there are very few horsemen I respect as players (as people is a different matter) because they just cannot play. It's the same issue as archers, if you don't know what you're doing, then don't shoot into melee. If you can't ride a horse properly, don't ride through melee.

Sure, even experienced riders will make mistakes or won't judge irratic sudden movements from allies and will accidentally kill, and sure, that'll piss the hell out of the ally who died but it's easier forgiven if for example, you yourself Torben, teamkilled me, I'd swear and call you names under my breath but I would forgive you quick enough just remembering the number of times you've helped me out.

As I say, there are very few cav that I would trust to help me, same as there are few archers/xbowmen who I would trust to do the same. It comes down to control, judgement and generally just the players skill against the ratio of "helping that guy" to "taking the kill".
I know it's a team game, but is there a point in attacking a peasant vs a knight when you know that the peasant doesn't have a hope in hell of surviving? No, because the Knight can dispatch the peasant and get on, you're more useful to go somewhere else and help.

Hope that makes sense, it's rather a grey area, but certainly, if you have the ability to do something, do it, if you don't, don't.