Healing Ranged Feaver

[DaveUKR]

Well yeah, ladders should be removed from battle servers so roof camping xbowers should learn to find a shelter on the battlefield.

[Elmokki]

Well yeah, ladders should be removed from battle servers so roof camping xbowers should learn to find a shelter on the battlefield.

That alone is only a partial solution though. Many maps have places which are rather hard to get to but possible without a ladder. Some of these are fine, but some are borderline exploits when you at worst need to do jumps that pretty much require a few tries before you start getting them right etc.

[CaptainQuantum]

I have no problem with archers, they are a counter to my class, they are meant to be. I could go 15/24 2h again but I enjoy hitting hard with 21/18, Phase rapes archers with his 2h not necessarily because of his skills but because he has a 15/27 character and 1 shield skill.

On the other hand I think crossbows should be more expensive, here is an example equipment for a crossbower:

• Arbalest 18796
• Steel bolts 2563
• Tunic over mail 4983
• Splinted leather greaves over mail 1817
• Mail Gauntlets 2274
• Nordic Huscarl's Helmet 2890
• Mace 4225
• Total equipment cost 37548 < Sustainable equipment cost due to upkeep

The suggested mail is probably the heaviest armour I would consider wearing for a pure xbower, and the other gear is the best equipment for the crossbower, and all of it is maintainable all of the time. With archers they have to switch between bodkins and inexpensive arrows quite often, which can be a major change in damage output. I have not had much problem with the damage from xbows, it seems I am not getting 1 shotted in a fully loomed black coat of plates any more, but this could be the fact that I have more health now.

[Mala]

Pure, distilled whimpering...

1. Shielder versus Archer - Ask Leoking or Mala or kinngrimm how they CAN kill an archer.
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I sneak behind them and stab them a few times while they aim at someone else. Because archers can hit me behind a shield (even i use a bigger one).

[Ujin]

I sneak behind them and stab them a few times while they aim at someone else. Because archers can hit me behind a shield (even i use a bigger one).

Also you and Kinngrimm have agi oriented builds and light gear.

[B3RS3RK]

the REAL Problem is the difference of Gear weight.

With 7 Athletics and my ragged outfit+mail gauntlets I can catch 90% of the archers relativley easy and kill them.With Tunic over mail and mail gauntlets I cant.

So either use a 8 Athletics build with mediocre gear or a 7 athletics with light gear if you want to play "catch the my old friendcher"

[Rumblood]

Remove ladders. Period. Done. End of story.

If you don't know why that will resolve the issue, you are not qualified for a discussion about ranged and need to excuse yourself from the thread.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

I have no problem with archers, they are a counter to my class, they are meant to be. I could go 15/24 2h again but I enjoy hitting hard with 21/18, Phase rapes archers with his 2h not necessarily because of his skills but because he has a 15/27 character and 1 shield skill.

On the other hand I think crossbows should be more expensive, here is an example equipment for a crossbower:

• Arbalest 18796
• Steel bolts 2563
• Tunic over mail 4983
• Splinted leather greaves over mail 1817
• Mail Gauntlets 2274
• Nordic Huscarl's Helmet 2890
• Mace 4225
• Total equipment cost 37548 < Sustainable equipment cost due to upkeep

The suggested mail is probably the heaviest armour I would consider wearing for a pure xbower, and the other gear is the best equipment for the crossbower, and all of it is maintainable all of the time. With archers they have to switch between bodkins and inexpensive arrows quite often, which can be a major change in damage output. I have not had much problem with the damage from xbows, it seems I am not getting 1 shotted in a fully loomed black coat of plates any more, but this could be the fact that I have more health now.

That is what you pay for such an equipment with a fucking arbalest and steal bolts? o.O

Wow!  Never expected it to be so cheap o.O

Hey people out there, wanna cry moar about archers and how many nerfs they still need?

I pay 44,398 gold  for longbow, 2stacks of bodkins and the rest of shitty equip (hammer and pilgrim stuff)
That is much more expensive, but achery needs nerfs right? 

Has nothing to do with this thread in particular, just speaking for all the threads in general, that concern archery

[Gnjus]

Raising the upkeep will solve nothing, it just widens the gap between rich bastards who already amassed tons of money and the ones who are struggling with finances. Make a full wipe instead (with removing ladders ofc, and a few other tweaks) and your balance problems are nearly solved.

[Cup1d]

That is what you pay for such an equipment with a fucking arbalest and steal bolts? o.O

Wow!  Never expected it to be so cheap o.O

Hey people out there, wanna cry moar about archers and how many nerfs they still need?

I pay 44,398 gold  for longbow, 2stacks of bodkins and the rest of shitty equip (hammer and pilgrim stuff)
That is much more expensive, but achery needs nerfs right? 

Has nothing to do with this thread in particular, just speaking for all the threads in general, that concern archery

Longbow - 11000
Bodkins - 10116
Hammer - 589
Pilgrim disguise - 354
Pilgrim Hood - 124
Leather gloves - 100
Khergit Leather Boots - 153
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On the other hand you pay for arrows often.

[Dezilagel]

I pay 44,398 gold  for longbow, 2stacks of bodkins and the rest of shitty equip (hammer and pilgrim stuff)

Someone has WAY too many looms.

Also, archers feel way more powerful than xbows (fully loomed 8 pd long/rus does roughly equal dmg to an arbalest!), from the perspective of a pole/shield guy.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

Longbow - 11000
Bodkins - 10116
Hammer - 589
Pilgrim disguise - 354
Pilgrim Hood - 124
Leather gloves - 100
Khergit Leather Boots - 153
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On the other hand you pay for arrows often.

That's not what's written on the website for me :/

Ok, I use two stacks of arrows.

Btw, I don't know it because I never really cared, but do you have higher upkeep for loomed items?^^
Got loomed bow, arrows and hammer, maybe that raises price? :/

[Dezilagel]

That's not what's written on the website for me :/

Ok, I use two stacks of arrows.

Btw, I don't know it because I never really cared, but do you have higher upkeep for loomed items?^^
Got loomed bow, arrows and hammer, maybe that raises price? :/

It raises displayed prices, but does nothing for the upkeep.

[[ptx]]

Didn't bows get double upkeep price?

[Spawny]

Also you and Kinngrimm have agi oriented builds and light gear.

Last time I checked leoking too.

Catching archers as a shielder in medium armour and a build with less than 24 agility is pretty much impossible if they see you comming.