Another Longbow thread.

[Rumblood]

Yes you're right. Long bow is balanced in that way that no one uses it today. This is a topic for discuss if longbow is balanced compared to the another bows, and now, it isn't. So there are two ways to fix it. Nerfing all the bows or buffing Long bow. Why all the archers are using horn bow? Why only few archers use Rus Bow? Why no one use Long Bow? The top-tier bow need to have something that invite players to use it. Now it's useless. +3 Dmg for -8 speed is a SCAM.

You are wrong.

Bows are balanced against each other.

Are there situations where a Horn bow will perform no better than a Tatar? Absolutely.
Are there situations where a Long bow will perform no better than a Rus? Absolutely.

If the enemy has 1 hp less than a tatar will do, then the horn bow was useless! But if the enemy has 1 hp more than a tatar will do, then that horn bow showed what it was there to do.

Same thing with the Rus and Long Bow. Yes, many times a Rus will finish off the enemy and you will wish you had its faster firing speed. But then sometimes they have more health and the Long Bow shines with the one hit kill. Had you shot with a Rus, they would have laughed and bashed your head in.

The Long Bow should not be adjusted to be more like the other bows. It should be a slow, hard hitting cannon. If there is any adjustment to be made, it should be in the form of a +1 damage to normal Long Bow and +2 for MW Long Bow on top of the existing bonuses.

[El_Infante]

I disagree.

When the patch of giving bodkins pierce damage, came out, longbow was no buffed. So it was a longbow nerf. Are you a archer? Rus bow is far better than long bow. Speed progression is not linear. A horn bow can shoot two arrows for each longbow shoot. So, longbow is not balanced and need some love.

How? Giving:
- Speed.
- Missile speed. (Ridiculous +1 from horn bow. Tell me how a 1.80m bow can have the same missile speed than a 0.80m one)
- Accuracy.
- Ability to hold the reticule closed more than other bows.

I'm a rus bow user and I won't play longbow anymore until it's fixed. I'm bored of non-archers opinion. They just can't talk about they don't know.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

I want to see my archer alt Ffrank_Welshy_at_arms using his Long Bow to canon fuck mine enemy!

It should be slow, very slow. But it should hit like a canyonero I say +1 or 3 dmg and +2 or 3 missle speed. Its acurate enough and a missle speed boost should make it a bit more accurate anyway, less drop and all that.

[Rumblood]

A horn bow can shoot two arrows for each longbow shoot. So, longbow is not balanced and need some love.

How? Giving:
- Speed.
- Missile speed. (Ridiculous +1 from horn bow. Tell me how a 1.80m bow can have the same missile speed than a 0.80m one)
- Accuracy.
- Ability to hold the reticule closed more than other bows.

I'm a rus bow user and I won't play longbow anymore until it's fixed. I'm bored of non-archers opinion. They just can't talk about they don't know.

Wrong. The Horn bow can't get two off against a Long bow. You have to use the Tatar and that is only if you hit with the first arrow for the stun.

Speed - No. We have other bows for speed. This is the Power bow.

Missile Speed - No. The arrows already fly almost too fast for melee to have a valid chance at avoiding them within 100 feet. Make them faster and 2 handers would have no chance. The nerf to athletics acceleration that was put in to buff cavalry because they kept crying about infantry dodging them would be even more pronounced against a faster missile speed. This is too bad because missile speed increases accuracy. If missile speed were to be adjusted, I would reduce the missile speed of the other bows and keep the Long Bow the fastest possible with balance against infantry.

Accuracy - Perhaps a slight increase in accuracy, but mostly No. It still draws too fast to be hyper accurate at short range. If they increased the draw time (yes I said it), then they could add laser point accuracy to it. Otherwise, no.

Ability to hold the reticule closed - I don't see why not. The reticule time used to be WAY short. Now it is longer, but guess what? I haven't noticed because I got used to shooting within half a second of the reticule closing. In other words, this change wouldnt affect my shots. It might make duels against xbower's more viable though.

Power - This is where the Long Bow should shine. Buff the damage to where it 1 shots Any horse that isn't armored. Then we will have a Long Bow worth using.

[_Tak_]

Long bow need to buff its speed by 1 - 5. or lower all other bow speed or add more damage to longbow. problem solved

[Arrowblood]

+2 dmg and and 5k more expensive.

[Tennenoth]

Longbow is fine. The less people that use it, the better I feel. 

[PanPan]

Longbow is fine. The less people that use it, the better I feel. 

Same for me

[El_Infante]

Longbow is fine. The less people that use it, the better I feel. 

Tenne! We know that you wanna be a special and unique guy

[Jarlek]

Longbow is bestbow!

[PanPan]

Tenne! We know that you wanna be a special and unique guy

He is...

[Tennenoth]

He is...

True, we're all special and unique, I don't know of anyone else who has been "blessed" with my good looks. 

I'm going to start clamouring for another bow, identicle to the longbow but called "Tenne's Trajectoral Transporter".

EDIT: No euphamisms please!

[_Sebastian_]

I disagree.
- Missile speed. (Ridiculous +1 from horn bow. Tell me how a 1.80m bow can have the same missile speed than a 0.80m one)

The bow length has nothing to do with the missile speed.

How fast a bow shots an arrow depends on the material of the bow, the material quality, it's shape, it's strenght, the string and the weigth of the (bow)arms.
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It also depends on the arrow weight, the shaft stiffness, the shaft shape, the arrowhead weight , the shape of the arrowhead and the feather shape and postition.

The Hornbow is a recurve composite bow wich is able to shot an arrow faster than a selfbow(one wood).
Also a longer bow has heavier arms which are slower because of the mass inertia.

by the way;
longbow = 2.12m
hornbow = 1.10m

mw arbalest has 62 missle speed lol) 80 will be cool ofc

The calculated missile speed of;
- mw arbalest = 74.40m/s

- mw longbow +  6pd = 67.67m/s
- mw longbow + 10pd = 76.54m/s



For a few days ago I made a test about the missile speed and it's max range;

I made some test's about the max range with the cRPG- and Native air friction.

So I changed the arena map for the test, now it looks like this;

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I tested the mw longbow with 6PD and 10PD with the different friction values.
I shot about 60 arrows in different angles, to find the max range of each bow-setup(with air friction the angle is below 45°);

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Here are my results for the MW Longbow;
cRPG air friction = 0.003
43m/s +  6pd = 67.67m/s  max range = 243.4m
43m/s + 10pd = 76.54m/s  max range = 278.5m

Native air friction = 0.002
43m/s +  6pd = 67.67m/s  max range = 285.3m
43m/s + 10pd = 76.54m/s  max range = 332.4m

As you can see,
in cRPG you are not able to shot an arrow over ~278 meters with 10PD and a starting speed of 76.54m/s !
This is because of the air friction(0.003) which is not realistic for medieval arrows or bolts.

The air firction in native(0.002) seems to be more realistic, but it is still a little bit to high.
Also the missile speed of 76.54m/s is to high for a selfbow(one wood).

The range world record of a selfbow was shot by Chief AJmit with a 200pound yew-warbow, the range was 557m(with flight arrows).
And you know that the weight of a flight arrow is ca. 20 to 30 gramms.

[justme]

just nerf other bows and longbow will be fine..

[Aleta]

The longbow is supposed to have better missile speed, accuracy and damage than the other bows. So the other bows should be reduced in damage and missile speed, which will make the longbow the weapon it truly is. Perhaps also add some more missile speed to the longbow.