Question regarding couch

[Vexus]

Ok so I may get some flames from the cav that only couch but could care less as that is a retarded style to play.

Does cavalry really need to be able to 1 hit people (Since you can't block it apart of a shield) even tough the speed bonus alone from thrusts would be enough to mostly 1 hit anyone?

Nerfs keep on going up and down so 1 hit weapons are lessened but why cav really need the couch? Can I have some reasons? You can bump slash, thrust from far and auto run anyone on foot why you really need also the option to 1 hit kill someone?

Giving the great lance thrust but removing the couch I'm sure people would use it since there's many people with pikes so don't say they wouldn't I for one on my cav would use it if it had thrust instead of couch only.

So tl;dr Give me reasons why cav need couch in other words being able to 1 hit.

[nuffen]

Couching is very easy to dodge, even people with 0 athletics can do it. The coucher also needs to wait a lot of time before attacking over, which means the coucher aint helping that much, and dont make me even start on the hills/stones..

[Vexus]

It was easy before sure, now that most cav have 7 riding a rouncey is super fast hence why I complained when they made riding being able to be upped per 3 agility.

[Madcat]

If its not one hit, i think people will stop using it all together

[nuffen]

Agree with madcat

Also, i play a cav. Im on a courser, and I got 7 riding, and Im the fastest cav Ive met this far, so I dont think a lot of cav are courser with 7 riding.

[Vexus]

Speed bonus alone makes most spear hits 1 hit but at least that is blockable.

If its not one hit, i think people will stop using it all together

You think people wouldn't use great lance because It can't couch? 35 pierce on a lance long 230 or 23 blunt from 224 length + speed bonus is not enough damage?

[Engine]

If that's enough damage to kill in one hit anyway, why do you care if it's couched? Hell, the timer on couching helps you, in that circumstance.

I just view it as part of dealing with cav. If you're paying attention, you can avoid the couch easily. If you're not, you're going to get killed anyway, whether by couch or by regular thrust.

[Vexus]

Simply a thrust can be blocked a couch no.

[Dravic]

Agree with madcat

Also, i play a cav. Im on a courser, and I got 7 riding, and Im the fastest cav Ive met this far, so I dont think a lot of cav are courser with 7 riding.

Wanna see my build?

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 7
Agility: 30
Hit points: 42
Converted: 4
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 2
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 10
Horse Archery: 5
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 10
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 137
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 157
Throwing: 1

10 riding.

[EponiCo]

I only ever use couched lance when the enemy doesn't see me or he has a short weapon. Against aware opponents with long weapons it's impossible to hit them with a couched lance before they hit you afaik. And since speed bonus works both ways that's often a onehit kill on you or the horse also.

[POCOMAKA]

Lilith, I got courser & 7 riding skill (8 is coming with 31 lvl) 

Vexus, did u tried couching? It's allmost impossible to make two couchstrikes on one target & stay out of ranged/pikes at same time. Nerf damage = couch dead. Btw, if u think that couch cant kill with one strike, then what kind of superhumanbeing r we talking about?

[Casimir]

Ive survived couches before when i was pure str.

However couch isn't that dangerous, its easily countered by paying a small amount of gold on a pike or by simply being aware. Occasionally they will get you but most kills are with lance thrusts. No real problem here IMO.

[Vexus]

I have a cav and yes I did try couch yet it's not my fav way of killing as it leaves the other player almost no chance of survival.

I said couch can 1 hit not that it doesn't 1 hit.

[Edit]

The point of the thread is that cav don't need couching as using a heavy lance is more then enough apart of pikes which giving great lance thrust would be a solution.

Killing people as cav is easy very easy till your horse is alive.

[nuffen]

I only use couch when Im attacking an enemy that is always blocking. When he does that, I know he wont attack me, and only then do I use this vulnerable attack.

Riding: 10

o.O
I want!

[Dravic]

Casimir is talking about that you want to MAKE couching NOT 1 hitting. And he is pointing at what superuberhumans are we going to kill? Irl noone can survive couched lance, usually even just thrust with lance, but Warband is balanced enough to not 1hit everyone with any type of hit from lance at full horse speed