Good ways to die and Lame ways to kill. Trying to measure "Fun".

[Thomek]

Alright, here goes something that cannot really be measured in numbers, and is going to be subjective for every single player out there, boiling down to why people play the class they do.

I want to look at the collective "Fun" as if you summed up the fun every player had in a round of cRPG.

So I'll start with my subjective experience in this.

To start with the good things:
For me, personally, the only element of fun crpg has on all other games I know that is truly unique is that it's capable of giving me an adrenaline rush. Not often, not every map, but often enough, fighting multiple enemies, getting out of a hairy situation etc.. Also, a great part of it is the  funny or absurd situations happening to me, or other players. Most maps bring a good laugh!
The tactical perspective of tricking or outsmarting the opponent also brings satisfaction, as does the measure of skill that dueling mostly is. The scoreboard and the occasional leading your team can also be a nice satisfying element. Friends and knowing the other players by style or rumour is an additional bonus that comes with time.

All this is good.. But. There are some very frustrating sides, some connected with the fun and feeling of achievement, some not.

The negatives:
Getting teamkilled (Cursing yourself for being near a reckless player. Worst is perhaps a friendly cav bump or couching.)
Getting 1-shot by xbows. (Your brain and eyes are connected to movement. In a lot of action it is very hard, nigh on impossible to see a static xbowman. Mostly it's just a gigantic anticlimax to get shot by them, and I doubt it's extremely satisfying for them too.)
Getting 1-shot by cav. Either couched or simple thrust, or even bump slashed. The "get some awareness" crowd can stfu, the best players gets jumped by cav, even some of the best cav players themselves are often hopeless little rabbits once they are on the ground.

What is the worst about this, is that I cannot in my wildest imagination understand what makes it FUN for the cav player to ride around in circles and stab targets of opportunity. No effort no reward. Same with xbows and Archers. Of course it is satisfying to kill players no matter what, but I think we can talk about degrees of satisfaction.. On the other hand it is extra satisfying to kill the low effort players for some perverted reason.

So what you guys think?

What class get's the most and least satisfying kills.
To what class is it lamest to die, and to what class is a good way to die.

[Vibe]

I think you're very biased.

As for me, although it can get frustrating (mostly depends on MY mood), I don't usually mind getting teamkilled, oneshot by xbow or oneshot by cav.

What's really lame is the entire archer team on a roof pinning down half of the map while being unreachable because their team has 2-3 melee teammates left on the ground (thus making the "unreachable rule" not count in their case).

[dodnet]

What is the worst about this, is that I cannot in my wildest imagination understand what makes it FUN for the cav player to ride around in circles and stab targets of opportunity. No effort no reward.

You have no clue. For me its very satisfing to kill an enemy as cav. But I suck at the game so we might have a rather different point of view 
Most satisfing for me is killing an enemy lance cav in a head on head combat, esp as I use the short Light Lance.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

The adrenaline rush of a melee fight is what keeps me playing this game

[Torben]

What class get's the most and least satisfying kills.

backstabbing ninjas ^^

[Cepeshi]

Just responding so i get this to Unread replies to your post section, gonna elaborate once i get home

[[ptx]]

Stabbing people with a long spear/pike/long awlpike, riding them over with cav of any kind, maybe getting off a really good shot from a longbow - these are satisfying for me. I have an alt in just about every class.
Others feel just meh.

[Thomek]

backstabbing ninjas ^^

Well I am a backstabber, but I often have to run around half the map and sneak like hell just to get in position for the backstab.. Survive cav and archers on the way etc.. It's like a mini-game for me..

And let's be honest, the real backstabbers in this game are the cav..

[Tzar]

The adrenaline rush of a melee fight is what keeps me playing this game

Same thank god for cRPG melee server only thing along strat that keeps me from not playing bf3 with the rest of the world.. 

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Where is the infantry kills cav option? Thats the most satisfying kill for me

Edit: added 

[Moncho]

As an archer, hitting is not too hard, but actually getting the kill is what makes satisfaction. On the other hand, frustration is when you put 3 arrows to an enemy and then the filthy 2her comes and gets the kill. Or someone who outruns you when you flee or throwers. Cav are fine
As a shielder, being in an open plains map in a shield wall and getting 10 arrows to your shield is good. Also getting some kills, especially against annoying 2hers.
Frustrating: hitslashing, hitting through the shield (when the enemy suddenly gets into your model and theres nothing you can do), cav raping.
As a 2her:
fun: Getting in a group and getting a couple of kills or even dying instantly.
frustrating: projectiles, ninjas, agi whores, str stackers (i have a balanced build and would love everyone to have one, and bad ping so i cant even see let alone block spamitars or katanas).
As cav i dont know, i tried it, sucked hard and qqed.

[Torben]

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dude i was trolling a bit.  ofc everyone hates getting backstabbed n shit, but i know you always put up a good fight and arent just about the sneaky backstab.

the minigame in it.  thats a good point and might make you understand why I love cav:  the successful kill is merely the pinnacle  of high speed maneuver, keeping momentum where needed, terrain reading and using,  applied stealth, perfect timing when countering multiple cavs,  chasing horse archers,  successfully helping out infantry wherever they are outnumbered,  bla bla . 
ofc you see my class from the recieving pov,  but there is so much more to it.

agreed that some people just ride around in circles and stab here and there or spawnrape the shit out of you.  but its way more to everyone who is dedicated.

[Torben]

Same thank god for cRPG melee server only thing along strat that keeps me from not playing bf3 with the rest of the world.. 

coming to the tournament?

[Silicium]

Include Horse archer in the poll.

I would have voted for Archers kills Horse-Archers but it wasn't on the list.

[Gurnisson]

The reason I played around with archery and crossbows for so long is that you can always improve. I loved making headshots halfway across the map, be it on other archers, running infantry or high-speed cavalry. I always found headshots the most satisfying kills, and I still do, even if I only have an archer alt these days.

As for being infantry with a long lawlpike, I hate dying to 'friendly' cav who continuously bump me, making me vulnerable to enemy hits. I usually have full control until those guys come and ruin it all, and that's the sort of deaths that leaves me ridiculously frustrated, especially when they fuck up a 1 vs. 1. Also, I don't mind dying to archers, but I'm not a fan of losing all my health to the same one over a few rounds (targeted) or dying without having been in any kind of melee combat in a round.

Still, the most frustrating part of this came is seeing your team being raped by enemy cav when trying to guard them or spamming chat doesn't work. These rounds usually ends up with your team being massively undermanned, and you'll probably get couched when you're fighting several guys at once.