Blatant rage about 2h facehugging uber power

[Vibe]

My 2c about hiltslashing. I think it must be possible for weapon with curved, sharp edge, like katana or chinese blades. But not for ridiculous long straight swords like German\Danish family.

Yes, lets give more power to the bugged ass ghost model curved blades.

[Mala]

Buff 1H stabs? No way! They're so fucking easy to use and give massive damage (easy to put in the head) Also, I find one-handers to be very good at face hugging range unless I fight some filthy kicker, like I am.

They are slow as hell and wiff at a reasonable range.
Mainly i use short swords, so why i can not simply stab them in the face (well i could, but then i have the same stab exploite like 2h and polearms)?

[Vibe]

They are slow as hell and wiff at a reasonable range.

Agree, 1h stab should glance less.

[Spawny]

My 2c about hiltslashing. I think it must be possible for weapon with curved, sharp edge, like katana or chinese blades. But not for ridiculous long straight swords like German\Danish family.

Also I wonder, where someone find info about swords with such lenght?
This is source of our German GS http://www.myarmoury.com/bill_swor_alb_munich.html
Good sword with 107cm lenght of blade. Not 123cm like we have in game.

1. Curved swords are better at cutting, I agree on that, but realism has no place in this discussion. Because then we would have to make mail armour and up completely impervious to slashing attacks from light weapons, with bigger/heavier cutting weapons dealing blunt damage instead of cut damage on the attack.
You can't slice through mail armour with a cut from a sword.

2. Not really, the link you posted gives some information about a german sword. There are quite a lot of different ones, most being shorter than the german great sword in cRPG.
However, it could also just be a form of zweihänder. The shorter ones being the german great sword and the large ones being a flameberge.

Again, realism has no place in a balance discussion or rage thread

[BlackMilk]

wth? You complain about w- key action?

[Gravoth_iii]

I have seen onehanders do some crazy hiltslashing aswell, and they are painful! Hiltslashing needs to be fixed.

[Xant]

I have seen onehanders do some crazy hiltslashing aswell, and they are painful! Hiltslashing needs to be fixed.

what, maces? 1h swords can't hiltslash

[Spawny]

what, maces? 1h swords can't hiltslash

Maybe when you hit the head with a left-right swing against someone with very low headarmour?
Dunno... Mine usually glance and when I try to hiltslash, I often get hit by their hiltslash before mine connects.

[Xant]

Maybe when you hit the head with a left-right swing against someone with very low headarmour?

yes but 1h swords are basically all blade, they have a very very tiny hilt

[Spawny]

yes but 1h swords are basically all blade, they have a very very tiny hilt

Yeah, guess I was more referring to hitting with the lower part of the blade.

I haven't been able to pull of a proper hiltslash with a 1h sword yet. They glance. Even against a pilgrim outfit or something similar.

[RandomDude]

my instinct used to be to facehug 1h also but on EU most of them turn with you a lot better than they used to so no chance to hit around their side.

vs good 1hs i prefer to keep my distance

[Tor!]

Tor, the EU hiltslash pioneer/first aboozer, able to wield a long ass axe like it was made of pure bamboo is afraid this might influence his playstyle..

Your wrong. I'm defending the two handers here, polearms dont even belong in this discussion.

[Dezilagel]

I just don't get the QQ.

Hiltslash CAN be countered; with proper footwork it's nothing more than something that gives you an opportunity for a free hit.

If you're not comfortable with the techniques for countering it properly, then just blocking twice often throws off the 2h.

[Leshma]

Leshma want only 1handers with double damage\headhit ability? In this case it's interesting suggestion. This way oneshot left swing of Steel pick will became «Oneshot» left  swing of all 1H weapons. Great, balance wise suggestion. You win Leshma.

My 2c about hiltslashing. I think it must be possible for weapon with curved, sharp edge, like katana or chinese blades. But not for ridiculous long straight swords like German\Danish family.

Also I wonder, where someone find info about swords with such lenght?
This is source of our German GS http://www.myarmoury.com/bill_swor_alb_munich.html
Good sword with 107cm lenght of blade. Not 123cm like we have in game.

No, I want all melee weapons to deal double damage on head hits. Right now I can survive up to four head hits from a loomed 1h (knightly arming) sword and 7 ps. My head armour rating is 59 and HP is the same value. I just want people to die faster if they encounter someone who actually aim where he strikes instead of spam, hiltslash, stunlock blah blah blah...

And yeah if that ever get's implemented I'm perfectly fine with polestun and can stay because it's generally harder to hit head with poleaxes.

I strongly believe that giving us higher multiplier for head hits will perfectly balance 3 melee classes: 2h, shielders and polearms.

Also will lead to people dying when hit from the back (buff for sneaky and smart people).

Pick on the other hand is a different issue, actually it's pierce damage in general not just pick.

[Kafein]

Too much agility. Decrease the damage to force more str and/or increase the weight. Maybe that way 2h won't be like soap anymore. I'm fine with the swing speed but the ability to accelerate and change direction that fast is retarded. Humans aren't flies. 2h are humans. 2h aren't flies. Yet they are in the game.