Fix 2h stab

[Snoozer]

personally i would like to see what the fighting would  be without spin stabs n lul stabs were nerfed..

^all in all is that not what we are talking about? seeing how stabs go hand n hand with these

[Vibe]

personally i would like to see what the fighting would  be without spin stabs n lul stabs were nerfed..

^all in all is that not what we are talking about? seeing how stabs go hand n hand with these

wat

[Visconti]

I must say I never cared for the damage, yes it could do with being balanced with the pole stabs. But what I want is for stabs to be less risky, because seeing people only use side swings and hiltslash all day is really killing my melee fun now. Backpedalling too kills the fun but thats harder to fix even if it is more retarded.

I see people doing overheads and stabs all the time.. i get most of my kills with stabs and overheads as well, since most people have the easiest time blocking side swings, and overheads are easy to maneuver so you can get around someones block, not to mention the 2h stab has some crazy reach and hang time. I personally like the "stun" you get for bouncing a stab off someone, punishes you for stabbing when someone is inside your range, you just need to swivel with the stab like you would with a pike/awlpike, and you can land it almost 90% of the time as long as they aren't face hugging you. Definitely agree that the 2h stab is still the most powerful in game, maybe not in terms of damage, but the extreme range combined with the hang time more then make up for the bounce stun and how slow the stab is, no need for a buff or nerf...

[Bjord]

2h stab is fine

[Laufknoten]

I see people doing overheads and stabs all the time.

I see people doing the "helicopter" all the time. They only interrupt their left-to-right-swing frenzy if someone actually blocks their spam. Some of them even walk around like Quasimodo if there's no enemy around at all... When their little brains indicate, that their enemy can block and he has a shorter weapon, they get the command to backpedal. Kinda funny to watch.      

[Patricia]

There's a couple notorious circus fighters on NA with their 2 handed swords.

Ryden being one of them, fighting him's fucking ridiculous and completely boring, side swing, you block, then he prepares a stab and start spinning in the absolute most incoherent pattern ever for a good 5 seconds at which point you just drop your block because of the sheer stupidity and boredom.

[Snoozer]

wat

whenever someone trys to stab me with any weapon the usually do the stupid lulstab or the spin stab

so to me it seems thy go hand in hand with stabs

[Xant]

There's a couple notorious circus fighters on NA with their 2 handed swords.

Ryden being one of them, fighting him's fucking ridiculous and completely boring, side swing, you block, then he prepares a stab and start spinning in the absolute most incoherent pattern ever for a good 5 seconds at which point you just drop your block because of the sheer stupidity and boredom.

How about you just attack him instead?

[Vibe]

whenever someone trys to stab me with any weapon the usually do the stupid lulstab or the spin stab

so to me it seems thy go hand in hand with stabs

Yes, because stabs bounce and perfectly reasonable ranges if not spinthrusted, specially 1h.

[Snoozer]

Yes, because stabs bounce and perfectly reasonable ranges if not spinthrusted, specially 1h.

AGREED ON 1H dear god you have to be a dancing fool to not glance lol

[Visconti]

I see people doing the "helicopter" all the time. They only interrupt their left-to-right-swing frenzy if someone actually blocks their spam. Some of them even walk around like Quasimodo if there's no enemy around at all... When their little brains indicate, that their enemy can block and he has a shorter weapon, they get the command to backpedal. Kinda funny to watch.    

Imagine that.... 2hs using their "little brains" to use RANGE to their advantage by back peddling, do you expect someone with a great sword to fight like hes using a short sword? With 2hs its all about footwork, trying to use your range or get around someones block.... i wish i knew what you meant by the helicopter tho.

There's a couple notorious circus fighters on NA with their 2 handed swords.

Ryden being one of them, fighting him's fucking ridiculous and completely boring, side swing, you block, then he prepares a stab and start spinning in the absolute most incoherent pattern ever for a good 5 seconds at which point you just drop your block because of the sheer stupidity and boredom.

You realize that spin is just to throw you off right?.... if you down block you'll block the stab even with his "circus spin". I fight ryden all the time, and hes hella fun to fight imo, has such a unique style. Game would be boring and way to easy if everyone fought the exact same way

[Laufknoten]

Imagine that.... 2hs using their "little brains" to use RANGE to their advantage by back peddling, do you expect someone with a great sword to fight like hes using a short sword? With 2hs its all about footwork, trying to use your range or get around someones block.... i wish i knew what you meant by the helicopter tho.

"Using range to your advantage" and "backpeddling" isn't the same.
And by helicopter I mean those guys who do the left-to-right swing constantly and walk in circles while they do it. U can usually see that in sieges, when there's a big clusterfuck going on.   

[zagibu]

I must say I never cared for the damage, yes it could do with being balanced with the pole stabs.

Why? It doesn't make sense. Polearms are MADE for stabbing, why should swords be equally good at it? If you want to balance things, reduce polearms SWING damage.

[Visconti]

"Using range to your advantage" and "backpeddling" isn't the same.
And by helicopter I mean those guys who do the left-to-right swing constantly and walk in circles while they do it. U can usually see that in sieges, when there's a big clusterfuck going on.

Yes... it is.... when you back peddle its normally so you can hit your target while their weapons are to short to hit you....

[Bjord]

How about you just attack him instead?

Which is, also, the proper way to counter ballerinas.